Aero Commander down in Nashville

Went through BNA yesterday for a fuel stop. Icing was moderate mixed and a few reports of clear. We had to get deiced on our way out. Definitely some nasty stuff. RIP
 
Coming up on a crash scene like that it would be assumed that no one could survive.. but come on at least check and make sure someone is not melted to their seat burning to death and help before u worry about how many likes on youtube ur gonna get...
 
Four people on board; husband, wife, their daughter and granddaughter...the granddaughter was a high school student in Larned, Ks.

The pilot seems to be in over his head on this one; between the approach itself and the weather. ATC warned him that he was half-mile off of approach center while he was on his first attempt.
 
Coming up on a crash scene like that it would be assumed that no one could survive.. but come on at least check and make sure someone is not melted to their seat burning to death and help before u worry about how many likes on youtube ur gonna get...
@fast89pony With no protective gear and no fire fighting equipment, nothing to extinguish a fire that large and voracious with, how far do you think a bystander would get before they find themselves on fire, could even endure the heat being put off by such a fire which would be tremendously intense, trip or fall over debris, cut, remove or maneuver their way through very hot twisted and bent metal and other materials- again with no tools/help/equipment to do so, be able to avoid collapsing areas of the plane falling on them, or be overcome by toxic smoke fumes and die? How would you suggest that they just run into the fire and possible fuel explosion and start trying to extricate someone who is already dead or dying? Does that really make sense to you? At best, you could look around the perimeter for someone possibly thrown free of the crash. It's sadly, a helpless and desperate situation. You'd be better off getting/rounding up others near the scene and getting them and their vehicles out of the way so that rescue/firefighters can gain access to the crash scene and away from any possible explosion or out of and away from any nearby structures which may also catch on fire.
 
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With no protective gear and no fire fighting equipment, nothing to extinguish a fire that large and voracious with, how far do you think a bystander would get before they find themselves on fire, could even endure the heat being put off by such a fire which would be intense, trip or fall over debris or overcome by toxic smoke fumes and die? How would you suggest that they just run into the fire and possible fuel explosion and start trying to extricate someone who is already dead or dying?

Many people have been pulled from burning wrecks. Planes, cars, trains whatever. After seeing the video of that king air crash that looked like a dust mite couldn't survive, and learning later that someone actually did survive I assume everything and nothing.
 
Many people have been pulled from burning wrecks. Planes, cars, trains whatever. After seeing the video of that king air crash that looked like a dust mite couldn't survive, and learning later that someone actually did survive I assume everything and nothing.

The guy is in a state of shock in what he witnessed, he probably isn't thinking straight and in a logical, methodical manner, especially if he isn't someone trained for that.

And you have a Class B fuel fire there. The radiant heat alone from that would preclude someone in no protective gear from getting too close. Even in a prox suit, you'd feel the heat, and thats full ARFF protection.

Best he can do is check the perimeter; there's no way he can get close enough to reasonable pull someone out of the wreck itself, even if they did survive.
 
Many people have been pulled from burning wrecks. Planes, cars, trains whatever. After seeing the video of that king air crash that looked like a dust mite couldn't survive, and learning later that someone actually did survive I assume everything and nothing.
And many people have died tried trying to do this and saved no one. Are you comparing a car fire to this fire? Really? When people are saved in burning plane, it it because the plane may be much larger and/or the fire has not yet reached the people saved, they extricated themselves, were extricated by fellow pax and/or crew, the fire has not yet grown to the proportions that you see in the video, firefighting crews in close proximity arrived immediately and began to put the fire out and other factors. The odds are that you are not going to successfully extricate anyone from a fully engulfed fire if you are just a bystander again with no help and no equipment/gear. This all sounds like a great idea in theory until you are actually standing in front of such a situation. And in this case which is often the scenario, the surrounding area (grass/brush/twigs etc.) was also on fire. Do you think that trained and fully equipped, trained firefighters just rush into burning structures/vehicles first?

Did you look at the photos in the second news article?

It's a terrible and tragic situation. Your heart just goes out to those who died in this crash and their families.
 
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The guy is in a state of shock in what he witnessed, he probably isn't thinking straight and in a logical, methodical manner, especially if he isn't someone trained for that.

And you have a Class B fuel fire there. The radiant heat alone from that would preclude someone in no protective gear from getting too close. Even in a prox suit, you'd feel the heat, and thats full ARFF protection.

Best he can do is check the perimeter; there's no way he can get close enough to reasonable pull someone out of the wreck itself, even if they did survive.

I hear ya. Its a crappy situation all around..
 
Four people on board; husband, wife, their daughter and granddaughter...the granddaughter was a high school student in Larned, Ks.

The pilot seems to be in over his head on this one; between the approach itself and the weather. ATC warned him that he was half-mile off of approach center while he was on his first attempt.

RIP to the family lost, and condolences to those left behind. Aviation is scary. Got to have some level of fear and respect for it.

Go-around. Go-around. Go-around. Go-missed, Go-missed, Go-missed. I rather a bruised ego than flesh. I rather loose a cert than a life / or my life. Death is costly (mentally, physically, spiritually, and financially). I have mouths to feed.

Be safe everyone.. Stay alive
 
When I came upon a vehicle fire two months ago I had a fire extinguisher in my hand, not a cellphone. The driver was standing next to the car - totally nonresponsive and staring at it - so I looked into the flames for a victim who might still be alive. Thankfully it was empty.

Of course some asshat pulled up next to the car and stopped - right behind the fuel tank - to shoot video. I was so tempted to discharg the extinguisher into his window.
 
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