Phony degree.

Holocene said:
More than likely it's going to become evident you don't have an ATP the moment you step in the simulator. What isn't going to be evident in any simulator or cockpit is your lack of degree in liberal arts.

Funny all the negativity in this thread. There are pilots flying right now that have likely gotten hired on the basis of exaggerated numbers in their logbooks and yet nobody cares because the hours are based on an honor system.

In other words, experience directly related to the job (flying planes) is taken on the honor system, but don't you dare lie about having a liberal arts degree!

How is that not completely backwards?
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Your employment history and PRIA documentation will verify your logged time. Do you plan on faking those as well?

What makes you think that all employers across all types of professional aviation entities are not going to be reviewing your logbooks and will just "trust" you? What makes you think you will not be asked to produce your actual college transcripts and not have them reviewed?

I cannot believe that you even came on here and suggested/touted anything to do with a phony college degree to begin with. Then you whine about the negative responses. Does integrity mean nothing to you?

Why don't you get a fake degree, make up a fake logbook, go on a few interviews and let us know how that works out for you. Sheeesh.
 
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I think it's easily apparent what the true joke of this thread is. Problem is, that it's not really funny, it's pathetic.
 
A Life Aloft said:
What makes you think that all employers across all types of professional aviation entities are not going to be reviewing your logbooks and will just "trust" you?.
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They can review all they want, but the fact is if you have 1500 hrs in your logbook they have no real way to verify if every hour is legitimate or even several hundred hours for that matter. Even if the phony hours were limited to single engine VFR one could dratically reduce time and money spent between acquisition of ratings.

I'm not advocating this at all; I'm just saying it does happen and yet there's some grave concern over the legitimacy of an irrelevant degree. That is odd.
 
Holocene said:
They can review all they want, but the fact is if you have 1500 hrs in your logbook they have no real way to verify if every hour is legitimate or even several hundred hours for that matter. Even if the phony hours were limited to single engine VFR one could dratically reduce time and money spent between acquisition of ratings.

I'm not advocating this at all; I'm just saying it does happen and yet there's some grave concern over the legitimacy of an irrelevant degree. That is odd.
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You don't think that someone will not be able to notice discrepancies in your logbook and your employment history, that you will just be able to readily explain it all away and that they will not request your employment records, other records, and start making comparisons? You really want to try and pull this off? Do you think the FAA will just look the other way and laugh when you are caught?

The only real grave concern on here should be your 'thinking" (and I use that word lightly), regarding phony college degrees, college degrees in general, phony logbook hours and interviews.

Who are you trying to convince here by posting this drivel? Yourself?

It's seems to me that you are looking for, promoting and making lame excuses for, any and all shortcuts to advance yourself, regardless if they are legal, honest, or credible.

Again I have to ask, do you have an integrity whatsoever? Does self-respect, a sense of true/honestly earned accomplishment and a conscience mean nothing to you either?

Do you really think that you are some special case who should be able to find and use any and all illegal means to put yourself ahead of others who actually took the time, effort, assumed the financial responsibility for, made the sacrifices to work their asses off over time and actually earned their college degrees and flight hours? Seriously?

While you're at it, why don't you just phony up some fake military service records and stolen valor as well? That might give you a leg up in your career too.
 
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Holocene said:
They can review all they want, but the fact is if you have 1500 hrs in your logbook they have no real way to verify if every hour is legitimate or even several hundred hours for that matter. Even if the phony hours were limited to single engine VFR one could dratically reduce time and money spent between acquisition of ratings.

I'm not advocating this at all; I'm just saying it does happen and yet there's some grave concern over the legitimacy of an irrelevant degree. That is odd.
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Actually, before anyone gets any crazy ideas, it's pretty simple.

Comparing your airmen records, including what you've put on your medical application, and then cross-referencing a few of the tail numbers in your logbook to see if the owner's even heard of you, it's pretty easy to ferret out the Parker P51 time.

And it's happened.

I know two different stories of pilots being pulled, squealing like newborn piglets, out of ground school when Skyway did a pedestrian amount of research.

Don't be "that guy" or allude people to thinking that "oh they'll never know". Because if and when they find out, you're fired and then the Feds are going to go after you as well for falsifying airmen documents.

Lie on an application to an airline, it's one thing. Lie on a Federal application for an airmen certificate, which you would have to do, continuously, every time you get a new medical, the Feds are going to trip over one another in a race to pursue your case because they live for stuff like this. They love it.

One of my cronies is an air carrier inspector with the FAA in SEA, if you'd like I can probably beg him to drop by the site and tell ya'll some scary stories on the topic.
 
A Life Aloft said:
You don't think that someone will not be able to notice discrepancies in your logbook and your employment history and that you will just be able to readily explain it all away and that they will not request your employment records?
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Keep attacking that straw man, as I never made any such claims. I said they cannot verify every hour in your logbook, and that is true.

Sorry people were offended. I'll exit the thread and you can claim I have no integrity and that's fine. But yes it's my position that lying about a degree doesn't adversely impact anyone's safety when your ratings have been acquired through legitimate channels.

The difference between Chesley Sullenberger and Marvin Renslow was not a college degree.
 
Holocene said:
Keep attacking that straw man, as I never made any such claims. I said they cannot verify every hour in your logbook, and that is true.

Sorry people were offended. I'll exit the thread and you can claim I have no integrity and that's fine. But yes it's my position that lying about a degree doesn't adversely impact anyone's safety when your ratings have been acquired through legitimate channels.

The difference between Chesley Sullenberger and Marvin Renslow was not a college degree.
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Maybe if you went to college you would know how ridiculous the argument you just made is.
 
Holocene said:
Sorry people were offended. I'll exit the thread and you can claim I have no integrity and that's fine. But yes it's my position that lying about a degree doesn't adversely impact anyone's safety when your ratings have been acquired through legitimate channels.
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Oh, you started it, let's not punch out of the thread so quickly!

It's professional integrity and if you lied about your experience, how do I know you're not lying about properly doing an exterior inspection? Or that the tires aren't showing cord because we're on our last leg and if we're delayed, you're going to miss your commute? :)

"I may smoke crack, but I'd never drive drunk, no way!"
 
Cloud Surfer said:
Moreover...it's EASILY noticeable who has a degree and who doesn't. People that have attended some kind of advanced schooling behave themselves calmer and have a more thoughtful demeanor than somebody who only finished high school. It's noticeable!
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So, education makes one a superior human being, or just more of an ass?
 
Nah, but I would say that I can tell the difference between a single-seat fighter pilot and a guy who flew a P-3 or KC-135 in about 20 seconds! :)
 
Holocene said:
More than likely it's going to become evident you don't have an ATP the moment you step in the simulator.
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I disagree strongly with that. Given the number of DE's and airline programs that award ATP certificates out there, I think there's plenty that slip through the cracks. I've flown with a number of them.

Funny all the negativity in this thread. There are pilots flying right now that have likely gotten hired on the basis of exaggerated numbers in their logbooks and yet nobody cares because the hours are based on an honor system.
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Nobody cares about pencil whipping logbooks? Are you serious? I'm so confused.
 
I love when people without a degree tell me how pointless they are, but most places you'd be laughed out of the room if you claimed one of these schools. You're better off without one.

Derg said:
Nah, but I would say that I can tell the difference between a single-seat fighter pilot and a guy who flew a P-3 or KC-135 in about 20 seconds! :)
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Where'd you meet a fighter pilot that waits 20 seconds to tell you they're a fighter pilot?
 
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