///AMG
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Yeah, agreed. If memory serves me correctly, they did initially look at a more robust system that utilized the F-15 airframe, and the HTS.
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Yeah, agreed. If memory serves me correctly, they did initially look at a more robust system that utilized the F-15 airframe, and the HTS.
Never should've gotten rid of the F-4G as a Weasel (heck, should've kept the F-105G). Even when the Weasel mission was mixed, where you'd have in the same 4-ship/Division an F-4G element (hunter) and F-16 element (killer), it worked out relatively well.
Yes on the faily-model jets in the ops squadrons. Generally for currency or checkrides, but fully combat capable too.
Good question. Both major airframes I flew were single seaters only, so our checkrides were chased by an IP in another jet. At the time, the A-10 didn't have a sim. The 117 sim was mainly combat systems only, as I remember.
///AMG
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Makes sense for those jets. Any thoughts on the Viper and/or Eagle? I know those have to have sims, and it just seems to me that you can show a guy a much more realistic scenario in the sim, than you can in the jet (yes that is a funny statement
) when we are talking about in flight emergencies and whatnot. In my aircraft, I can't think of anything worthwhile you could safely do, aside from simulated single engine approaches with on throttle at idle. Or just saying "ok you just got a xxxxx light.....what would you do?" and talking about it without actually going through the difficult part of dealing with the emergency while also aviating, navigating, communicating.
Makes sense for those jets. Any thoughts on the Viper and/or Eagle? I know those have to have sims, and it just seems to me that you can show a guy a much more realistic scenario in the sim, than you can in the jet (yes that is a funny statement
Both definitely have sims; I just don't know their specific operating philosophy behind how the operational (not training) squadrons use them for currency/training purposes. I think its more for the airwork part and instrument work when it comes to instrument-checks; and the employment work when it comes to employment......but that still can be observed from another aircraft while flying a single seater too.
Here's an interesting one for you that I think you'd appreciate: The F-4 Phantom USAF versions: All versions of the USAF F-4 Phantom with the exception of the G-model Weasel, you could do an instrument checkride or otherwise in a single jet; IP in back, pilot in front, dual controls. However the G-model Weasel version was considered by the USAF to be a single-pilot jet, like an A-10 or A-7, because due to the SEAD mission equipment in back that was stacked even on top of the instrument panel dash and went all the way up to the canopy, the backseater (whether EWO or IP) had no viable forward visibility, unlike the other regular F-4 versions. So checkrides in the F-4G were chased by another F-4, as if it was a single seater; one of the old heads in my 117 unit told me who was former G-model.
///AMG
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Interesting, and that makes sense (the Wild Weasel part). I think part of the difference might just be the difference in nature between NATOPS/Inst evaluations and Stan/Eval rides on the AF side. As I understand it, your annual AF checkride is both tactical as well as administrative, which I suppose, if those two things aren't separate rides, can't be very realistically simulated. For us, we have a NATOPS check, which is simply an evaluation of your knowledge and execution of basic operating procedures, to include your handling of various emergency scenarios. Instrument check is a different evaluation, and simply evaluates your execution of instrument procedures, approaches, and knowledge of applicable regs. So both those rides can both be more economically conducted in the simulator, in order to demonstrate your performance in scenarios that can't be replicated in the aircraft for real. We have completely different, and not annual tactical check rides, that coincide with specific points in your upgrade syllabus, which are of course, conducted in the aircraft.
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Now they have a new derivative. The Advanced Super Hornet.