AA pilots speak out in support of Eagle pilots

Firebird2XC

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I never thought I'd see this, but it's really happening. I must say it feels very nice to have their support in this.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...Expresses-Support-American-Eagle#.UszOyvRDuSp

FORT WORTH, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The president of the Allied Pilots Association (APA), certified collective bargaining agent for the 10,000 pilots of American Airlines, expressed strong support today for the pilots at American Eagle Airlines during their contract discussions with American Airlines Group management.

"APA supports our brothers and sisters at Eagle in their efforts to obtain an agreement that would ensure the current aircraft deliveries and regional flying stay at American Eagle," said APA President Capt. Keith Wilson. "The pilots of American Eagle have gone through the same bankruptcy restructuring process as we have here at the new American, and as such, they have already made significant sacrifices resulting in nearly $43 million in contract concessions. The current collective bargaining agreement has helped align Eagle's cost structure with that of its competitors, allowing Eagle to continue to provide regional lift to American."
 
(Say what you will, but as an Eagle pilot, I feel like Aragorn in the Two Towers when the Elves unexpectedly show up with reinforcements. "You are MOST welcome.")
 
Yes it is nice to see at least some sort of mainline support for their regional feeder when their back is against the wall. I'm not sure what kind of a sign it is that a separate union is standing up for Eagle....I dont think that bodes well for ALPA national. Just my point of view.
 
Yes it is nice to see at least some sort of mainline support for their regional feeder when their back is against the wall. I'm not sure what kind of a sign it is that a separate union is standing up for Eagle....I dont think that bodes well for ALPA national. Just my point of view.
Didn't they support republic too? Makes you wonder who they are going to support next.

Meanwhile my mainline partners have told me, "It's a good thing you guys took those paycuts, now how many new airplanes are you getting again?" It turned into such a metronomic repetition I simply smile and nod until they make some [bleep]y remark about the SSP, and so far I've been able to end the complaining with something akin to, "Well God, if it makes you feel any better we are downgrading another 80 on this last award and I'll never see the SSP." Normally other pilot whose been rolling his eyes the whole time at his co-worker will change the conversation to, "So you getting some days off?"

Is it impolite to say to guys in response to "How's things at Endeavor?" something like "I don't wanna talk about work guys." I just lie now and say "GREAT!" It makes it easier and feeds into the fantasy world some pilots live in.

In fairness to the Delta pilot group, I have had a slight majority of the pilot group act pretty classy, but there's enough taking the low road it makes me wonder why ALPA even wastes their time typing "Unity" on any blastmail. Reminds me when we were still Mesaba and we were let into the SLC crew room (until purchased by 9E) to a host of dirty looks, and tell Mesaba guys to stay out of the bag room and if they come back and see our stuff in there they'll dump it outside and call security.

Back in '06 the Airways guys used to let us in the BOS crew room... no memo needed or chief pilot running around trying to hush their pilots up.

American pilots said something good about Eagle pilots?

I'm damned. What a fascinating modern world we live in.
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Reminds me when we were still Mesaba and we were let into the SLC crew room (until purchased by 9E) to a host of dirty looks, and tell Mesaba guys to stay out of the bag room and if they come back and see our stuff in there they'll dump it outside and call security

Please tell me you're kidding here.

Wow....Speechless.
 
Didn't they support republic too? Makes you wonder who they are going to support next.

I think they've realized supporting the battle of anyone getting jets with AA paint supports themselves, as anybody who gets driven cheaper eventually becomes a fulcrum against their scope clause.


Supporting regional partners who are fighting to not lower the bar is a win/win for the mainline crowd.
 
Please tell me you're kidding here.

Wow....Speechless.
No, guys found their stuff kicked out of the bag room after taking a nap downstairs. Delta sent a memo out to all the pilots and the CP at SLC was very kind about it. Most of us just stayed out of their way, and if it was less than 2 hours I just stayed upstairs. CP gave me a hamburger a couple times, I guess they make them on a grill outside on thursdays. Even toasted the bun.

BOS was a lot less uptight about the procedure. After SLC experiences I kept my heads down as much as possible.

Even Memphis's B concourse got to be an issue dumping bags in the Delta bag room. Basically we were instructed to leave it there for less than 5 minutes so mainline pilots wouldn't complain about our using their bag room. Being owned by Delta is everything.
 
No, guys found their stuff kicked out of the bag room after taking a nap downstairs. Delta sent a memo out to all the pilots and the CP at SLC was very kind about it. Most of us just stayed out of their way, and if it was less than 2 hours I just stayed upstairs. CP gave me a hamburger a couple times, I guess they make them on a grill outside on thursdays. Even toasted the bun.

BOS was a lot less uptight about the procedure. After SLC experiences I kept my heads down as much as possible.

Even Memphis's B concourse got to be an issue dumping bags in the Delta bag room. Basically we were instructed to leave it there for less than 5 minutes so mainline pilots wouldn't complain about our using their bag room. Being owned by Delta is everything.

Like I said, Im speechless. And like you said, where's the unity? I mean, even though this was official policy, one would think that pilots who do understand unity, especially if from the same union....not just A union....would take the BOS approach vs anything close to the SLC approach to the matter, just out of general principle. If anything, it certainly doesn't invoke any sense of unity on the part of the affected party, especially when taken further and enforced full-on like SLC. It only works do exclude, not include. I mean, we're talking a stupid crew lounge and some temporary baggage storage here, not like your pilots are taking money out of the mainline guys' personal wallets in some way. Yet to be treated like you're the groundskeeper who walked into some exclusive uppity posh club through the front door, that's nothing more than a crew lounge, is beyond retarded.

Sadly, it's things like this which show people's true colors, and who your friends/allies really are.

When pilots begin to act to others like the management they claim to hate so much when they themselves are affected, all they're serving to do is managements job for them. Why should management have to whipsaw, when some pilots will do it to one another free of charge, and whenever requested?
 
Sadly, it's things like this which show people's true colors, and who your friends/allies really are.

When pilots begin to act to others like the management they claim to hate so much when they themselves are affected, all they're serving to do is managements job for them. Why should management have to whipsaw, when some pilots will do it to one another free of charge, and whenever requested?

This may be the worst thing created by the division between mainline and regionals- the elitism and bigotry against our own kind. And that goes both ways. I admit I at times have chortled at the idea of 'poking the bear', but in the end pilots are often the only allies we all have.

It's time to realize that the future of the profession relies upon the support of all pilots at all levels for each other. Even if that's unpalatable to some, they should at least recognize the merit of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Other pilots are not the enemy- corrupt managers are.
 
Like I said, Im speechless. And like you said, where's the unity? I mean, even though this was official policy, one would think that pilots who do understand unity, especially if from the same union....not just A union....would take the BOS approach vs anything close to the SLC approach to the matter, just out of general principle. If anything, it certainly doesn't invoke any sense of unity on the part of the affected party, especially when taken further and enforced full-on like SLC. It only works do exclude, not include. I mean, we're talking a stupid crew lounge and some temporary baggage storage here, not like your pilots are taking money out of the mainline guys' personal wallets in some way. Yet to be treated like you're the groundskeeper who walked into some exclusive uppity posh club through the front door, that's nothing more than a crew lounge, is beyond retarded.

Sadly, it's things like this which show people's true colors, and who your friends/allies really are.

When pilots begin to act to others like the management they claim to hate so much when they themselves are affected, all they're serving to do is managements job for them. Why should management have to whipsaw, when some pilots will do it to one another free of charge, and whenever requested?
Yeah, its pretty crazy. About six months ago the captain and I were waiting at our gate and immediately next to us was our mainline compadre's. There was convective activity that put us in a ground stop. So my captain walks up to the mainline captain to ask a question about the wx, and he just made a face, folded his arms and turned his back to us. I was floored. The mainline captain was carrying on just fine with his FO, so it wasn't like he just found out some bad news or something like that.
 
This may be the worst thing created by the division between mainline and regionals- the elitism and bigotry against our own kind. And that goes both ways. I admit I at times have chortled at the idea of 'poking the bear', but in the end pilots are often the only allies we all have.

It's time to realize that the future of the profession relies upon the support of all pilots at all levels for each other. Even if that's unpalatable to some, they should at least recognize the merit of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Other pilots are not the enemy- corrupt managers are.
If you wear this uniform doing this job you'll always get at least a masculine "head nod" as we pass in the corridor, and at in all likelihood a gruff "Good morning/afternoon/evening" as I pass on my merry way. Being a (censored) head to your fellow pilot doesn't make any sense.

Oh. Except for Gulley, of course.
 
If you wear this uniform doing this job you'll always get at least a masculine "head nod" as we pass in the corridor, and at in all likelihood a gruff "Good morning/afternoon/evening" as I pass on my merry way. Being a (censored) head to your fellow pilot doesn't make any sense.

Oh. Except for Gulley, of course.

For me the head nod is less a greeting and more of a shared acknowledgement of the FUBARed stuff we see on a regular basis that only someone else in the industry can understand. More of a "heh, yeah...me too."
 
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