scooter2525
Very well Member
Kinky, rawwwrrrr
Regionals? Which for my situation
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”…trusting ze process…”
And a corollary is that if you base where to go on that metric, you are a dunce.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
I'm at 6.5 years right now.
I figure it'll be a solid 7 before I can hold the award, and another 6 months after that before I hit the line in the left seat. And that's IF I ever hold it. My personal guess is that I'll get within 50 and then we'll start shrinking, because that's the kind of luck I have.
Enjoy your slightly more than 2 year upgrade.
Dude, I feel you. My luck aint all that great either.
Again, my feeling is that it's going to start to climb due to a lack of FOs. But apprently voicing that opinion in other places on this board gets me an internet beatdown.
It's not an internet beat down.
It's a "slow down chief, you're going to get yourself hurt".
Again, like we've seen over and over again, the industry is in too much flux to pre-estimate upgrade times. Short upgrades become long upgrades, long upgrades become quick upgrades, some of us at the regional and major level may never upgrade.
You may get bought out, dissolved, merged, whatever.
Whenever a user asks "What's the upgrade time?" it tells me they're not even ready to be captain anyway.
It's one metric of dubious value in a matrix of other metrics.
To tell you the truth, looking at where I'm at now I figure I've got another 4-5 years at the regional level. Finish a degree, add another couple thousand hours of 121 time, etc.
When I compare where I am, where most regionals 2nd year pay exceed our entire FO payscale, the Capt rates are a good $15-20 below other regionals, and the QOL for anything other than the top 5% of status is no more than 15 days off, and then I express a desire for something a little different, the response is invariably, "ZOMG, stay for the UPGRADE!"
Whatever happen to MMMTO?
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Lateral moves, regional to regional, especially lacking a degree in order to move up the food chain is all: LMLTO (less money, less time off). Less time worrying about the greenness of your neighbors lawn, more time flying.
Everyone leaves out "opportunity cost". What will it ultimately cost you to make a lateral move and start all over again and extend your probationary year?
If I had left Skyway in order to go play "street captain" at Mesaba in 1997, which was all the rage at the time, I would probably be raising the gear for some yahoo at Endeavor.
Do what you want. What do I know anyway.
While I agree that there are risks involved with lateral moves, I don't think it would be accurate to say that ALL laterals are bad moves, as is evidenced by a few members of this board. Sure, your hypothetical lateral to Mesaba may not have worked out well, but that is not evidence that all lateral moves are a bad thing.
There's an opportunity cost in staying as well. It may be harder to measure as one has less info about where one is moving to, but there's still a cost.
We're witnessing the implosion of Great Lakes
One well regarded member of this board are saying stay away from Silver as a new hire in this thread.
In the broad spectrum of the 20+ 121 regional carriers in this country guess who's next in line with regard to compensation and QOL?
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
At this point I would say lateral moves are never justified unless you are going to be out of a job or no one likes you at your current airline. If neither is true then you should stay and wait for the upgrade.
Last I checked your company has lots of guys from other regionals applying and has a prior 121 preference.
Are those guys justified in going to work for Compass?
Is Compass justified in preferring prior 121?
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
And 90% have been in the first situation I mentioned.
So and Eagle guy would be justified (nevermind their future really isn't written yet) but a CommutAir guy wouldn't? (and there's at least one that I know about there now)
Or given your second criteria Compass is just filled with social deviants.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
I think you're missing the point here, hence the 10% left can be for other reasons but this is only 1 airline we're talking about. People go to Skywest and others too. The point is everyone here has been trying to help you for a week now, it's up to you to realize what truly is behind your motivation for leaving...So and Eagle guy would be justified (nevermind their future really isn't written yet) but a CommutAir guy wouldn't? (and there's at least one that I know about there now)
Or given your second criteria Compass is just filled with social deviants.
It's a great move, do it today.
I don't know what I was thinking earlier, besides, what do I know about professional aviation.
I do appreciate the differing perspectives, and quite honestly there's a lot that's floating around my brain with regard to motivation. Some of it is personal and I'm not willing to share it.
I get why you're hardcore against the idea. All things being equal seniority and longevity are a good thing. I know that either my current position or my next one is where the next half a decade need to be so it's not a move I'm going to make lightly, if I even make it.
And faux pouting doesn't become you.
ClarkGriswold
Non Nutritive Cereal Varnish Engineer
Why didn't you think this all through before hand? Did something happen after you started?
It's a regional job. They largely all suck and by lollygagging around looking for a non-existent "Valhalla" is just extending your time at that level. You already know this.
The only time you change lanes at the regional level is when you don't think you'll have a job. Five and ten year projections are ridiculous because the regional business is going to look a lot different in 12 months. And then again in 24 months. It's murderball out there and you've got a job.
"Dude! Look at that girl at the bar!"
"She's got herpes..."
"She's gorgeous!"
"Gorgeous and herpetic…"
"I'm going over there!"
"Are you sure?"
"Look at her!"
"Herpes. True story, bro"
"You're crazy!"
"Knock yourself out, but complain about how Zovirax and Pennicillin give you loose bowels in a few weeks"
Clearly we're running from something that we're not being completely frank about.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
QOL depends on what you make of what you have- and in my opinion, avoid commuting like the plague. That might mean you move to a new domicile, but trust me- it'll take years off your life. Between the extra hours and hours spent schlepping from one airport to another and the impact on your down time, you'll wonder why you ever thought it was a good idea. It'll leave your wallet lighter, too.
I live within 15 minutes of my airport parking lot, and the money I save goes into nicer digs in a better neighborhood, which pays off because I know I'm that much likely to be targeting for robbery while I'm away.
A set schedule won't happen until you're off Reserve, and even then, things will fluctuate- the type of schedule you hold might equate to whatever line is left over after the people senior to you cherry pick the good stuff- and some of them change their bidding preferences seasonally. Even then, your 'set schedule' may be subject to the staffing woes of your employer.
In the future- work for a major? Your odds of this aren't terrible, especially if one of the LCC or non-Legacy carriers would work for you. That said, there's more to it than just meeting the resume bullet requirements and finding somebody to write you a nice letter. Timing and luck may also play a part. Remember- nobody in the business predicted 9/11, and the affects it had on industry movement touch us to this day.
That said- good luck. Know how to stay on the right of the rules, your contract (I'd advise working for somebody with a CBA..) and avoid talking to your chief pilot in a mandatory setting. May the Force be with you.
Firebird2XC
Well-Known Member
I actually read a 'listicle' recently where the author made a fake woman's profile who while gorgeous, was the most horrible, selfish, bigoted gold digger ever. The user name was 'AaronCarterFan'. She deliberately attempted to make her as horrible a character as possible. Even after the initial emails rolled in, and she still tried to scare them away, they just didn't see it.
That's kinda what you just described. The only real difference here, though, is that the Regionals are only really separated from the Majors by one key factor- Money. If the people at the regionals made mainline type salaries, we'd all be singing a different tune.
I'd probably also not sleep alone and masturbate less, but hey, coulda shoulda woulda. *shrugs*