FlyDutchman
Well-Known Member
To @Maurus and @mat . I just want to narrow in on the extremes you guys posted.
From the OP he only gives three variables. Those variables were a Citation FO position, 500TT and, from what I interpreted, an ADVERTISED salary of 22K.
While I respect any opinion over no opinion and I do understand @Maurus, your response is more of a defensive retort to a brazen statement, I feel both statements are made without enough information.
So many young pilots from the information age come to these sites for advice. Many of whom are so inexperienced they want a magic number. They want to know whether or not they should even apply for that Citation FO position at such low pay. I personally believe yes they should. Apply and interview for any and every job you can, even ones that aren't advertised. Why? Because that starts they networking and negotiating skills needed to be in any field.
Negotiating is key in the business environment. 22K may be ADVERTISED but you don't know the real number until you get and go to the interview and gather more information about the position. From a personal experience when I was a low low time pilot. I interviewed for a Citation FO position and after the standard testing my knowledge and decision making skills, the floor was opened up to me to ask questions. So you ask the standards about how often will I work, what is the callout time, is the company giving me a credit card for road expenses or are you paying me a standard expenses per day, etc... Then you get into pay and nitty gritty details. In the end I gave them a number and they met it, but they wanted me to use that pay to get my ATP on my own within the year. That number was not meant to pay for an ATP and thus was a deal-breaker for me. I tried to renegotiate but they were firm so I had to turn down the job, which otherwise seemed like a really good gig.
So I guess I'm just asking you guys to give some of your advice to young pilots on getting a job that meets suitable standards in the industry and not focusing in on a number. So much more information is needed besides the number. If the OP said he personally had a firm offer of 22K a year, he paid for the hotel and expenses, 24/7 on call, etc... this thread would have a completely different tone.
From the OP he only gives three variables. Those variables were a Citation FO position, 500TT and, from what I interpreted, an ADVERTISED salary of 22K.
While I respect any opinion over no opinion and I do understand @Maurus, your response is more of a defensive retort to a brazen statement, I feel both statements are made without enough information.
So many young pilots from the information age come to these sites for advice. Many of whom are so inexperienced they want a magic number. They want to know whether or not they should even apply for that Citation FO position at such low pay. I personally believe yes they should. Apply and interview for any and every job you can, even ones that aren't advertised. Why? Because that starts they networking and negotiating skills needed to be in any field.
Negotiating is key in the business environment. 22K may be ADVERTISED but you don't know the real number until you get and go to the interview and gather more information about the position. From a personal experience when I was a low low time pilot. I interviewed for a Citation FO position and after the standard testing my knowledge and decision making skills, the floor was opened up to me to ask questions. So you ask the standards about how often will I work, what is the callout time, is the company giving me a credit card for road expenses or are you paying me a standard expenses per day, etc... Then you get into pay and nitty gritty details. In the end I gave them a number and they met it, but they wanted me to use that pay to get my ATP on my own within the year. That number was not meant to pay for an ATP and thus was a deal-breaker for me. I tried to renegotiate but they were firm so I had to turn down the job, which otherwise seemed like a really good gig.
So I guess I'm just asking you guys to give some of your advice to young pilots on getting a job that meets suitable standards in the industry and not focusing in on a number. So much more information is needed besides the number. If the OP said he personally had a firm offer of 22K a year, he paid for the hotel and expenses, 24/7 on call, etc... this thread would have a completely different tone.
