That Norwegian sure makes a good Pad Thai... Wait...

dasleben said:
Say again, over?
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When China Airlines 120 had the above incident, those same pax who are jumping out of a burning airplane were very calm and collected in the interviews shortly after the incident. Spirit blows an engine with some smoke in the cabin and everything I've read/heard from the pax on board was considerably more dramatic. Maybe its the way our media spins it only using the worst reactions, but time and time again, mild and moderate aviation incidents seem to really stir American's up.
 
ChasenSFO said:
When China Airlines 120 had the above incident, those same pax who are jumping out of a burning airplane were very calm and collected in the interviews shortly after the incident. Spirit blows an engine with some smoke in the cabin and everything I've read/heard from the pax on board was considerably more dramatic. Maybe its the way our media spins it only using the worst reactions, but time and time again, mild and moderate aviation incidents seem to really stir American's up.
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So not only are American airlines bad, Americans are easily startled? :)
 
dasleben said:
So not only are American airlines bad, Americans are easily startled? :)
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I cannot count how many times I have overheard fellow passengers speak about technical/ personnel conflicts, dirty airplanes (outside & inside), crappy service, dangerous flying and past experiences they've had. From what you hear them say, its a wonder to see pax on board at all. I guess its the lesser of two evils or less pricey than going by car. I did the math and came out ahead by alternative travel, at least nationally. If its more expensive and time intensive, I will take that to avoid flying if possible. Can't really blame people for panicking when stuff goes sideways, the press has hyped aviation accidents and simple incidents into outer space. The self-declared experts speculating their tongues out after a flat tire was discovered, do the rest.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Yeah Air France was pretty extreme here at SFO with switching air frames. In 3 years the daily flight(s) went from 340/380, to 747, to A330, to 773, to the current 772/773. Pretty impressive they could put all that together to manage demand on a long-haul route. I've never seen such a huge capacity gain/drop from another carrier.
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It is a seasonal route, it's not that busy in winter and can get packed in spring/summer....
 
This is why I seriously am considering hanging my hat in cargo vs. pax long term.

That said, the state sponsored airline thing is not a perfect model, Bahamasair has been operating at a loss for years.
 
ChasenSFO said:
Even after losing everything they had packed and brought on board, the China Airlines pax were far less frantic than the interviewed people on the Spirit flight. Why are we such cowards?
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I think our society has been conditioned that way, we tend to like to take things to the extreme.
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
That said, the state sponsored airline thing is not a perfect model, Bahamasair has been operating at a loss for years.
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The fact 737-200s made up the backbone of their fleet until about a year ago and they flew Bac-111s well into the 2000s couldn't have helped.:p
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
This is why I seriously am considering hanging my hat in cargo vs. pax long term.

That said, the state sponsored airline thing is not a perfect model, Bahamasair has been operating at a loss for years.
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Umm, "globalization" is probably going to hit freight first and probably the hardest.

Ain't nowhere to run if the walls come down, Jones.
 
Derg said:
Umm, "globalization" is probably going to hit freight first and probably the hardest.

Ain't nowhere to run if the walls come down, Jones.
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There's always china, if you can't beat em join em and make 15k a month doing it.
 
Derg said:
Umm, "globalization" is probably going to hit freight first and probably the hardest.

Ain't nowhere to run if the walls come down, Jones.
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You think so? Alas, at least the freight has to move. With the advent of gotomeeting.com and a down economy passenger travel seems to crest and recede like the coming tide.

Hopefully we have at least 2-3 more decades till the robot planes take over.
 
ChasenSFO said:
The fact 737-200s made up the backbone of their fleet until about a year ago and they flew Bac-111s well into the 2000s couldn't have helped.:p
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That and Dash 8's going to the out islands almost empty. The government did have some Navajos with the winglets that are much more economical, but the BDF was too busy doing non-stop service to and from the jungles outside of Medellin! HEY-OOO
 
ChasenSFO said:
When China Airlines 120 had the above incident, those same pax who are jumping out of a burning airplane were very calm and collected in the interviews shortly after the incident. Spirit blows an engine with some smoke in the cabin and everything I've read/heard from the pax on board was considerably more dramatic. Maybe its the way our media spins it only using the worst reactions, but time and time again, mild and moderate aviation incidents seem to really stir American's up.
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Apples to oranges. The China Airlines 737 was on the ground and taxiing to the gate when their fire started. When you're in a metal tube with fire shooting out the side, having the ground a few feet from your door instead of a few hundred makes a BIG difference.

Don't write us off as culturally inferior seat fillers just yet. I have seen gate agents and cabin crew in mainland China physically assaulted over delays and diversions. I'd take the pax from my worst day slinging RJs out of LaGarbage over some of the lunatics I've seen over here. I was in India when that Kingfisher ATR slid off the runway in Mumbai, and if you ever thought the US media pushed for the most breathless, panicked narrative around relatively minor aviation misadventures, dig up some Youtube footage of THAT local coverage.

There's always china, if you can't beat em join em and make 15k a month doing it.
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