Breaking into Test Flying

Pretty good intel so far.

I would have to agree that the best way to get into experimental test is to go the military route and get to test pilot school. There is a civilian test pilot school in Mojave called the National Test Pilot School:

http://www.ntps.edu/index.php

The full course is just under $1 million so unless you're independently wealthy you need to find someone to pay your way for it.

Now all that said, there are other avenues. Boeing has Production Test pilots who do not necessarily have experimental test background. Often, at least at McDonnell Douglas, they were retired/furloughed airline pilots. They perform new aircraft test flights post-certification. At McDonnell Douglas ( not sure about Boeing these days ) they could and did fly right seat on experimental test flights, as did the Flight Training Airplane group.

In my time at McDonnell Douglas ( it was actually Boeing by then ) I did a few Production Test flights on the MD-90 and MD-80, and had I stayed would have done experimental test ( as an F.O. ) on the later stages of the B717 program. My background was pure civilian airline with 3000 PIC in type ( DC-9 and MD-80 when I was hired ).

The Production test started with "ground runs" . Basically powering up the aircraft to make sure everything works correctly. That leads to engine start and then taxi tests. This is all done via a book that becomes part of the aircraft's official certification. So lots of note taking of parameters. Once all the ground runs are okay the next step is a full flight. At McD that first flight would typically last 4 hours and one would test every system on the airplane. I.E. Depressurize the cabin slowly to see exactly when the Cabin Altitude warning went off, then continue to see exactly what altitude the masks dropped. Slow down at 1 knot per second to see exactly when the stick shaker activate. Speed up to see exactly when the high speed clacker went off. Down low and over at Palmdale we would do approaches to test every mode of the GPWS ; Too Low Gear, Too Low Flaps, Don't sink, etc.

Again all of this is getting written into a book as well as any snags noted. If there was anything that needed fixing then often a re-fly or two was in order.

Airlines often have a tech section. One of my classmates at USAir's father was in the NWA tech section. They did 3 engine ferry, post-maintenance test, aircraft acceptance, etc


Good luck with the path, as noted, it's a pretty small community to get into experimental test so look for alternatives that are close would be my suggestion.


TP
 
Wow, you must know the wrong test pilots, because I do quite well as do most of the guys I hang out with. I also doubt that you would find doing Vmca or takeoff performance work like watching paint dry. And, most of us travel a lot.

Most of that is probably my perspective. I've had a few interesting sorties as a tester. For every "exciting" test, there were at least 10 flights worth of just killing the card deck. That may be unique to legacy military platform development.

Again, unique to military flight test, I was surprised that my career path took me out of the cockpit as soon as it did.

I always thought the SETP briefs were interesting, but increasingly irrelevant. The military just isn't doing core flight sciences the way the civilian world is.
 
Did you fly for a living before you started doing this?

Hi Pat. On the contrary, we are the same age but I only have a low time PPL (working on instrument). The opportunity arose to go back to school and get this degree, and I took it with the intention of trying to get a job as close to flight test engineering as possible on the ground side while building up my flight hours and ratings in my personal time (hopefully instructing part time) and paying off the student debt. I think you are in a great spot with flight time but I encourage you to go after the degree soon. Engineering degrees can be had online and via distance learning, and most states have awesome community college systems which can provide you with transferable units to satisfy the prerequisites for your program. As far as I'm concerned it's never too late to go back to school and get your degree, but it definitely seems like it gets harder to do the older you get and the more you forget. Good luck!
 
...flying around and doing something other than simply going from A to B is nice. The structure of "ok, go out and fly it in this particular way" is pretty cool. I also really like flying different airplanes consistently (not sure if I'd do that on average in the production-test world) but right now I'm flying 3 different airplanes regularly and learning how to transition between different airplanes routinely and still be safe is a blast.

These are some of the same qualities that attract me to flight test. I've read about the curriculum for the National Test Pilot School that @typhoonpilot mentioned in the past, and I believe they pair you up with exotic aircraft like the Saab Draken and basically say "Design an entire academic test evaluation and certification program for this aircraft you know nothing about, from scratch."

I've always been drawn to the empirical side of engineering and not the theoretical side. And there seems to be a lot of opportunities to do this in aerospace:

As a structures guy (or gal), you spend most of your time on a computer doing CAD and finite element analysis on parts. But there's also the opportunity to work on structural certification tests (like this) and materials science tests like stress strain analysis of material coupons.

As a controls engineer, you might have the opportunity to work in a control systems lab designing feedback loops and fly-by-wire and implementing it in the sim.

As an aerodynamicyst you might get to work in a wind tunnel, and measure forces and pressures acting on a model.

As an electrical engineer, you could work on a radar cross-section range out in the desert or in an anechoic chamber.

But in flight test engineering, you are working on an actual airplane. For the test pilots, the cockpit is their laboratory. For the flight test engineers, the airplane is. They may get to wire up the aircraft with complicated electronics and sensors, ride along in the chase plane collecting data, or take part in designing the test schedule or coming up with solutions to problems with the aircraft that arise during testing. As far as I'm concerned, being a part of any of that would be an awesome job, and would beat the heck out of being stuck in a lab all day! If they let me fly one day, all the better!
 
Dont bother with Gulfstream. Non TPS grads need not apply.

I didn't think it was to the contrary. I know two pilots there (one demo and one parts), and they make it sound really tough to break through even as a parts pilot. I live in Savannah, so I keep my eyes on their pilot jobs as they pop up.
 
Here's the problem, there is no shortage of ATPs with engineering degrees. Those folks would have a hard time competing with military pilots with engineering degrees. In turn, those folks would have a hard time competing with graduates of the Navy or Air Force test pilot schools. Those schools graduate a class a year and have done so for decades.

There are opportunities for pilots in R&D testing communications that might not require specialized test pilot training, but these jobs are also very competitive.

The biggest problem you face is the competitive nature of such opportunities. You may not need to be a graduate of a test pilot school to perform the job well but there are going to be TPS grads applying.
 
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It depends on the type of "test flying" the OP is interested in. As far as the GA manufactures are concerned, engineering test flight and production test flight are apples and oranges. For engineering test flight, i agree with the previous posts; for production flight test it's completely different.

There is a civilian test pilot school that is very good; expensive but good. I think that they have a 98% post-graduate hire rate...

Edit: Didin't see Typhoonpilot's post before I added this.....
 
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A very good friend of mine gave it a try. He is a CPL currently flying as capt on a Citation and does aerobatics on the side, he is an Aerospace Engineer with specialization in Helicopter rotors and graduated from one of the most prestigious aerospace universities in the world (same school where Bellanca graduated), worked for Agusta as part of his PHD...yet he tells me his qualifications are not enough and the money involved to acquire extra school experience is not worth it. He already invested a good 7 years full time hitting the books, sounds like a very challenging career.

When I was in the military I was often in contact with aircraft testing (Pilatus), we shared the same field, most of the test pilots had a good 80% of desk experience and a 20% of flying, mostly in the air force and on fighters (never more then 2500-3000TT).

What about display pilot? I know this guy that goes all over showing the new Caravan EX, he also works with the test pilot, for example on STCs, not long time ago he was spinning the hell out of a brand new EX over the everglades to certify some new components.
 
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One of my cousins is a Test/R&D Pilot for Cessna (before he was Demo pilot at Beech)

He was one of the pilots developing the Scorpion Jet for Cessna (he couldn't say a thing for a few years about what he was doing)

He currently flies the A-10 for the Guard, has an BS and MBA...both non technical.
 
How do I do this? That's what I want to do in the "long run," how do I work my way into it? I've got over 5,000hrs, but I'm not sure that hours really mean a whole lot when it comes to getting into that kind of work, so what does a guy need to be a civilian test pilot working for one of the GA manufacturers? Thanks.
You could peruse these Job Postings to see what they're looking for in a candidate.
 
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