Eagle "thrown under the bus"? You decide.

Questions for @mshunter.

You seem to view your regional as a career place. With all this talk about taking paycuts for these regional companies to stay in business, does that change your view? Do you think paycuts are necessary? Would you take a paycut to grow/get bigger aircraft? Would you take a paycut to stay in business?
 
Seggy said:
Questions for @mshunter.

You seem to view your regional as a career place. With all this talk about taking paycuts for these regional companies to stay in business, does that change your view? Do you think paycuts are necessary? Would you take a paycut to grow/get bigger aircraft? Would you take a paycut to stay in business?
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I know this wasn't directed at me but many of the pilots seem to think this is the only way to go. They talk big talk and vote otherwise.
 
Seggy said:
Independent unions aren't the answer.

APA/USAPA are perfect examples of this.
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My independent union is doing okay. Sadly, we have guys on furlough, but our contract is pretty good compared to DALPA. We are suing the FAA over the cargo cutout, which I'm proud of. A least we are trying. The thing is, my union works for me, not me and the competition...
 
DE727UPS said:
My independent union is doing okay.
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I talked to a lot of FedEx guys when they were independent and the vast majority of them are happier with ALPA.

Sadly, we have guys on furlough, but our contract is pretty good compared to DALPA.
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I still don't get why you have guys on furlough.

We are suing the FAA over the cargo cutout, which I'm proud of.
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That lawsuit can backfire horribly.


The thing is, my union works for me, not me and the competition...
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Huh? Everyone is pissed as the PSA folks are doing something separately from what other airlines said they would do. An individual airline going their own direction.
 
Seggy said:
You can look at it MANY ways...
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Then how did a group B carrier's MEC chair, who was almost recalled mind you, get an overwhelming amount of votes for first VP? Jay Pierce could have and most likely should have got the nod for that but too many deals were struck for that not to happen.
 
amorris311 said:
Then how did a group B carrier's MEC chair, who was almost recalled mind you, get an overwhelming amount of votes for first VP? Jay Pierce could have and most likely should have got the nod for that but too many deals were struck for that not to happen.
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That was a separate deal.
 
You really think the UAL MEC was going to vote for a CAL MEC Chair?

Think about it......



....think about it some more.......



Then you should be hahaha-ing at yourself.
 
Seggy said:
Questions for @mshunter.

You seem to view your regional as a career place. With all this talk about taking paycuts for these regional companies to stay in business, does that change your view? Do you think paycuts are necessary? Would you take a paycut to grow/get bigger aircraft? Would you take a paycut to stay in business?
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The only part of that I am going to answer is the comment about staying at a regional my whole career. I don't want to. I need to finish my degree first, so I'll probably be here a few years unless some of the companies I'd really like to work for drop the requirement.

The rest of it can be trolled somewhere else.

Edit to add: These kinds of discussions get way to heated, way to quick.
 
There shouldn't any "deals".

The only deals being struck should be about the betterment of the profession.

So far, it's "same as it ever was", the natives are restless and this falls solely on this administration

My message to Moak is no more speeches, no more glad-handing, get it done or get the hell out of office.
 
mshunter said:
The only part of that I am going to answer is the comment about staying at a regional my whole career. I don't want to. I need to finish my degree first, so I'll probably be here a few years unless some of the companies I'd really like to work for drop the requirement.

The rest of it can be trolled somewhere else.

Edit to add: These kinds of discussions get way to heated, way to quick.
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They're not. It's an economic shortage of pilots, not a lack of qualified warm bodies.
 
mshunter said:
The only part of that I am going to answer is the comment about staying at a regional my whole career. I don't want to.
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Ok

I need to finish my degree first, so I'll probably be here a few years unless some of the companies I'd really like to work for drop the requirement.

The rest of it can be trolled somewhere else.

Edit to add: These kinds of discussions get way to heated, way to quick.
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You were adamant on how the loss of flying from the regionals to mainline was bad. As your fellow company pilots have opinions, I was wanting to hear yours based on your previous statements.
 
Seggy said:
Independent unions aren't the answer.

APA/USAPA are perfect examples of this.
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I don't think you're right or wrong in saying that.

The biggest strength of ALPA is no doubt the safety and pilot support programs. But as far as collective bargaining, they get a huge fat F for the last 10 years. Yeah, the last 10 years have been difficult, and things have turned out better than they could have been, but most of us strive for a higher standard. "Yeah, we we're not at the destination airport, but at least we're in the same state!"
 
DE727UPS said:
My independent union is doing okay. Sadly, we have guys on furlough, but our contract is pretty good compared to DALPA. We are suing the FAA over the cargo cutout, which I'm proud of. A least we are trying. The thing is, my union works for me, not me and the competition...
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I liked your post except for the last part. I think there needs to be MORE collusion between companies. Within the union, taking pay cuts so that you can undercut other union members and take their flying needs to be 100% unacceptable.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
But as far as collective bargaining, they get a huge fat F for the last 10 years. Yeah, the last 10 years have been difficult, and things have turned out better than they could have been, but most of us strive for a higher standard. "Yeah, we we're not at the destination airport, but at least we're in the same state!"
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Can you give specific examples on why it is an "F"? Did ALPA negotiate lower unprompted or were their hands tied due to various bankruptcy laws?
 
Cessnaflyer said:
I know this wasn't directed at me but many of the pilots seem to think this is the only way to go. They talk big talk and vote otherwise.
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I guess it's because I make $70/hour on the side as an independent IT spook, but the odds of me voting "yes" on any concessionary (in terms of absolute pay, or other things like work rules or soft time) are approximately one in $BIGNUM.

My talk and my votes are, in this case, congruent.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I guess it's because I make $70/hour on the side as an independent IT spook, but the odds of me voting "yes" on any concessionary (in terms of absolute pay, or other things like work rules or soft time) are approximately one in $BIGNUM.

My talk and my votes are, in this case, congruent.
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This is an honest question and not meant to come off as dickish. Is your pilot group even allowed to vote on changes?
 
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