New PSA TA?

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falconvalley said:
Maybe they believe this is the best they can get. Look at other groups. Who has not gone concessionary in the Regionals, lately?
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Nothing was forced on anyone. They all voted for it. At the end of the day they chose to fold like cheap tents. I understand the classic arguments of "I have a family" "I need a job" blah blah blah. I know...I have all those things too. At the end of the day, voted yes continues to hurt the industry and all your fellow pilots at other airlines.
 
Pilotdude3407 said:
Nothing was forced on anyone. They all voted for it. At the end of the day they chose to fold like cheap tents. I understand the classic arguments of "I have a family" "I need a job" blah blah blah. I know...I have all those things too. At the end of the day, voted yes continues to hurt the industry and all your fellow pilots at other airlines.
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Yeah well...that kind of logic never seems to stop group think in society. When groups act like each other, individuals aren't thinking of the shaming they're about to get. They really do believe what they are doing makes sense. They only defend their vote with the statements you bring up, which are not anywhere in mind when the vote goes through.
 
Since regionals don't matter and have "little airplanes" pilots have no power etc wouldn't it make more sense if every pilot at every major resigned if a regional group took a bad deal?

It's all about leverage.
 
In an information discussion yesterday at PSA, the Assistant CP asked who was aware of the TA. I raised my hand. Only one other person did. He told us that the vote ends 9/28, and that he thinks it will pass. If it does that does mean additional, larger aircraft would be coming. Not that anything is confirmed, but the logical aircraft would be the -900. He said that the TA would allow growth, which would reduce RVS times, faster upgrades, etc. We all needed to remember that PSA was a stepping stone to USAir, but both he and the Check Line Pilot had both been there 13+ years.
 
I call shenanigans. One CP was hired about the same time I was so he has just over 8 years. The other CP was hired as a ASAP specialist about 4 years ago and somehow moved to a flying position in the safety department and then the CP spot. Neither one of them had anywhere close to 13 years. The line pilot... maybe.
 
BobDDuck said:
I call shenanigans. One CP was hired about the same time I was so he has just over 8 years. The other CP was hired as a ASAP specialist about 4 years ago and somehow moved to a flying position in the safety department and then the CP spot. Neither one of them had anywhere close to 13 years. The line pilot... maybe.
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I was trying to take notes, and that is what I heard.... His name is George if that helps.
 
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Pass a TA for short sited gains, only to further push back the regionals as a whole. So what happens a year from now when the classes are all filled up and the company doesn't need more pilots? The new guys are where current employees are now; at the bottom of a list getting crap pay with no upgrade in site. Sold out by more "senior" pilots. This industry sucks. At least at Eagle we had the balls to say NO.
 
If we could keep the ball rolling with PSA passing it up it would hopefully empower other regionals to take a stand. Unfortunately I feel like that PSA may be feeling empowered to vote yes since Mesa has extended their agreement to fly big boy jets for less.

Sickening. :confused:
 
Out and Proud said:
Ok, so if I don't agree with you or the collective, I'm trolling? Is all you guys want on this forum is a bunch of "yes men" who all agree on everything?
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Did it ever dawn on you that others here have been there done that and might have just a tad more experience and knowledge than you have?
 
MOGuy424 said:
If we could keep the ball rolling with PSA passing it up it would hopefully empower other regionals to take a stand. Unfortunately I feel like that PSA may be feeling empowered to vote yes since Mesa has extended their agreement to fly big boy jets for less.

Sickening. :confused:
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I don't understand what's "sickening" about Mesa getting new flying without seeking any additional concessions from their pilot group.
 
adk said:
I don't understand what's "sickening" about Mesa getting new flying without seeking any additional concessions from their pilot group.
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Probably because they already have a low-end contract. Extending the contract out instead of seeking improvements is just as a bad at this point and is a concession once you factor in inflation and such over the extended period of time.
 
Or when negotiation time comes, and it's said by JO that in order to keep our flying and remain competitive we can't afford to give big raises or cheaper insurance!
 
Maurus said:
Probably because they already have a low-end contract. Extending the contract out instead of seeking improvements is just as a bad at this point and is a concession once you factor in inflation and such over the extended period of time.
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I'm not following. Mesa management extended a contract to fly the CRJs for United. I haven't seen anything about the Mesa pilots extending their TA.
 
adk said:
I'm not following. Mesa management extended a contract to fly the CRJs for United. I haven't seen anything about the Mesa pilots extending their TA.
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I may have misinterpreted something along the way.

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Sadly on this same topic I have a buddy who was just hired at another regional. He's a good friend n all, and I'm happy he's excited to be an airline pilot but now my facebook is plastered with updates like "this is so sweet, its my Canadian DC-9," and "IAD to HOU, I'm like a mainline pilot lol"

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A new rumor running around now, is PSA will park the CRJ-200s. Cannot quote the source, but certainly sounds plausible given the economics of the industry. Not a single rumor from EN to give us any cause for encouragement or alarm...Just nothing...Status quo as it has been for nearly 10 years+.
 
BE19Pilot said:
A new rumor running around now, is PSA will park the CRJ-200s. Cannot quote the source, but certainly sounds plausible given the economics of the industry. Not a single rumor from EN to give us any cause for encouragement or alarm...Just nothing...Status quo as it has been for nearly 10 years+.
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Any replacements or will they just downsize? Thats most of the entire fleet.
 
I didn't hear any numbers being mentioned, but it would make sense if they get the 30 -900s and retain their current -700 fleet. That would just about be a net zero, and with the amount of attrition being anticipated, I think that EN pilots are going to be keeping their jobs. Whatever, is the most cost-efficient solution is what the managers at USAirline Group will opt for. The PSA TA is just a cog in the wheel of their overall strategy to have the cheapest possible labor force at the Express level.
 
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