B737 Jobs in Libya ?

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bafanguy

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On Sept. 8th, two ads for 737-500 crews for some LIBYAN airline appeared on the website
below. And, in the title of each ad was the statement, "SALARY REDUCED" (I
don't know what the previous pay was). Reading each ad, I see them almost bragging that
they'd gotten many applications…so many I guess they feel that lots of pilots can still
be found even if offered LOWER pay. Both ads require typed, current and substantial time
in type…with an age limit below 60 for captains.

You want to go to LIBYA for $6K/mo for the first 80 hours ? FOs for $2.5/mo ? LIBYA ?!?!?

They almost appear to be gloating. Advertising lower pay in the ad title ?

I'm missing something here…what is it ?:confused2:
http://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/
http://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/

Captain ad:

http://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/2943.html

FO ad:

http://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/2942.html
 
We are our own worst enemy.

Lots of 737 typed guys who took an early out (or didn't want to start at the bottom of a list again) supplementing income is my guess...sad. Why on earth they have a bunch of resumes for $2500/month FO's, makes even less sense, but I have stories from Kiev on FO's undercutting each other that I've put on here before.
 
Maybe it's because they can get the Benghazi base. I hear Benghazi is just lovely in September.

Well, why would a young guy with 1000 hours of 737 time need to go to Libya as an FO for crappy money and the threat of death ? Can't he just work elsewhere for crappy money and put the threat of death on hold awaiting a better pay rate ? I thought there's a pilot shortage…it's been in all the papers.

So, they're paying FOs $2500/mo for the first 80 hours. That's $31.25/hr. But for time over 80, they're offering a special, premium pay of…$30/hour ? WOW !!! Put me in the game, Coach, I don't smoke.

But, the deal for captains is much, much better: $6000/mo for that first 80 hours which is $75/hour… and the alluring premium pay is…..$75/hour. It's good to be the King.

Are you sure these ads aren't someone's little joke ? It sure is fun to watch, though. Ya'll be careful out there.
 
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bafanguy said:
...Are you sure these ads aren't someone's little joke ? It sure is fun to watch, though. Ya'll be careful out there.
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I sure hope it is a joke, but nothing would surprise me in this industry. You don't have to worry about me leaving my job to go to Libya. ;)
 
Problem is in Europe, India, etc. The rich little kids there have no problem paying $100,000 for their ratings and then going out and paying for time in the right seat. So to actually get paid to fly instead of paying for it is quite attractive to them :rolleyes:.


TP
 
typhoonpilot said:
Problem is in Europe, India, etc. The rich little kids there have no problem paying $100,000 for their ratings and then going out and paying for time in the right seat. So to actually get paid to fly instead of paying for it is quite attractive to them :rolleyes:.


TP
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TP,

Understand that but the FO ad says 1000 hours in type (and specifically the -500). Would the category of people you describe have that much time in type ? If they did, couldn't they just get a better job than the one in the ad ? That job's not the bottom of the barrel; it's what leaked out of the bottom of the barrel.

Of course, the interesting side of the coin would be to know who/what actually took it.

As soon as they post the ad looking for a 60, 70 y/o guy with an irregular heartbeat and a radioactive attitude, I'll be all over that job !! :biggrin:
 
typhoonpilot said:
Problem is in Europe, India, etc. The rich little kids there have no problem paying $100,000 for their ratings and then going out and paying for time in the right seat. So to actually get paid to fly instead of paying for it is quite attractive to them :rolleyes:.


TP
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That Europeans love Pay to Fly systems is true and sad, but they are not all rich kids (maybe a really small % is), most of them have either already worked other jobs in their life, and paid all the flight training out of their pockets or taken a loan.

I started my flight training in Europe and pretty much everybody that was working on his private with me was paying out of his pocket, most of them spent some time in the military (big pay) others were working full time while in flight training. Most of them had their CPL before even owning a car or an iphone.

I had an Irish student that went to work in Australia as a Miner to pay for his flight training, he also joined the Eagle jet scheme at Lion, but he was no lazy rich kid...


bafanguy said:
Maybe it's because they can get the Benghazi base. I hear Benghazi is just lovely in September.

Well, why would a young guy with 1000 hours of 737 time need to go to Libya as an FO for crappy money and the threat of death ? Can't he just work elsewhere for crappy money and put the threat of death on hold awaiting a better pay rate ? I thought there's a pilot shortage…it's been in all the papers.

So, they're paying FOs $2500/mo for the first 80 hours. That's $31.25/hr. But for time over 80, they're offering a special, premium pay of…$30/hour ? WOW !!! Put me in the game, Coach, I don't smoke.

But, the deal for captains is much, much better: $6000/mo for that first 80 hours which is $75/hour… and the alluring premium pay is…..$75/hour. It's good to be the King.

Are you sure these ads aren't someone's little joke ? It sure is fun to watch, though. Ya'll be careful out there.
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That is about what pilots get paid in South America

I think a European pilot of a major airline would make the same comment, and probably laugh, while looking at US pilot wages at majors.
 
typhoonpilot said:
Problem is in Europe, India, etc. The rich little kids there have no problem paying $100,000 for their ratings and then going out and paying for time in the right seat. So to actually get paid to fly instead of paying for it is quite attractive to them :rolleyes:.


TP
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http://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/2709.html

Same website advertising a Dash 8 job for 50,000 euros. People will stab somebody in front of their mother for this. I do not understand the world. At all.
 
BajtheJino said:
http://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/2709.html

Same website advertising a Dash 8 job for 50,000 euros. People will stab somebody in front of their mother for this. I do not understand the world. At all.
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Baj,

Yes, there are several if not many job posts like this. My point in the original post was that these Libyan people are willing to rub your nose in the fact they can get all the pilots they want even when they boast of offering LESS money for the same job. And there's no end of willing applicants.

Pilot shortage ? Show me some evidence. But before you do that, define "shortage". I've never seen any definition. Fun subject....
 
bafanguy said:
Pilot shortage ? Show me some evidence. But before you do that, define "shortage". I've never seen any definition. Fun subject....
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Eh? What shortage? I think if you read the job description you'll notice you have to pay for the job. Which is further evidence that theres no shortage of people running the industry into the ground, which explains why an airline in Libya can do what its doing. Europeans, as much as Americans, are ruining the industry.
I do not believe there ever will be a pilot shortage in the US. Nor have I suggested one.
 
Lol at the CA salary.....I'm a mil guy with 1/5th of the TT requirement and I make more than base salary after taxes....unless I'm missing something, this is a horrible deal, not to mention the location.
 
BajtheJino said:
I do not believe there ever will be a pilot shortage in the US. Nor have I suggested one.
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Baj,

Ooops, I did toss in a non sequitur with my "shortage" comment...sorry. I wasn't commenting on your post as much as just blathering that as long as companies like the one in the original post can operate like that, there isn't one. And I agree with you but "shortage" is a separate thread, I guess.
 
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///AMG said:
Lol at the CA salary.....I'm a mil guy with 1/5th of the TT requirement and I make more than base salary after taxes....unless I'm missing something, this is a horrible deal, not to mention the location.
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Well at least in Libya gas is 50 cents a gallon :biggrin:

But honestly we shouldn`t think at salaries in aviation like something globalized. As an expat it makes sense but still, if you look at it locally, a lot of places where to an American the salary may seem a yoke the actual money has a much higher acquisition power. I have been living in 3rd world countries for a while now, even if the pay is much lower then in the US, for the same position, locally that money buys more stuff, the social position is much higher and the overall QoL much much better.
 
swisspilot said:
Well at least in Libya gas is 50 cents a gallon :biggrin:

But honestly we shouldn`t think at salaries in aviation like something globalized. As an expat it makes sense but still, if you look at it locally, a lot of places where to an American the salary may seem a yoke the actual money has a much higher acquisition power. I have been living in 3rd world countries for a while now, even if the pay is much lower then in the US, for the same position, locally that money buys more stuff, the social position is much higher and the overall QoL much much better.
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Yeah, that is a valid point, at least assuming the person weren't spending most of their time in western europe or something while on the duts.....

Still, I sort of view the military paycheck as the bare minimum that a US citizen should be willing to be paid to get shot at. Then again, maybe Libya is a cool place that doesn't actually involve manpads and civil unrest/street shootings in every day life, never been there.
 
swisspilot said:
I have been living in 3rd world countries for a while now, even if the pay is much lower then in the US, for the same position, locally that money buys more stuff, the social position is much higher and the overall QoL much much better.
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I have also traveled somewhat and agree with this... while in Manila my 50-something waitress inquired about my career which I responded "in the airlines." After more questions it was revealed I'm a pilot. When the waitress later brought the check, she then invited me too her shanty town where I could pick one of here college age daughters to marry... It was both flattering and sad.
 
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