What do you think will happen here?

banjo said:
http://billingsgazette.com/news/sta...cle_0e389231-f179-567b-b6fa-3275b93e7293.html

Think anything will happen to her cfi? Wonder if the insurance company will go after the cfi for the loss?
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The FAA will probably question the CFI asking what training was given and what was documented, then move on. That is what has happened to CFI's I know who had students bend airplanes.

No, the insurance probably will not go after the CFI. First of all a hull loss on a 172 isn't very much money, probably not going to waste lawyer time chasing down that kind of money. Second they'd have to show that somehow the CFI was negligent, like he didn't train her in normal cross country procedures and just sent her off.

What it will do is continue to increase insurance costs. Every loss goes back into the pool for everybody else to pay more toward.

But, ya never know...
 
Obviously she was off course.... and I would think that if the CFI reviewed the flight plan and route, he might have noticed that the terrain that she was flying through was pretty unforgiving and potentially inpassable in a light single. But that being said, she seemed to say things in the interview that makes me think that she had some decent training. Pitching for airspeed, recognizing that she is in too tight a place to turn around, and having the proper survival gear packed....not bad.
 
Because the student is flying on the cfi's ticket, the cfi will be required to be re-examined under usc 44-709. This rule states that ANY time there is an accident, the airman must have their qualifications re-examined. Well, the airman in this case is the cfi. I come by this info honestly! A student of mine bent an airplane during solo pattern flight 10 years ago. I was 709'd on takeoffs landings and go arounds. The.cfi is.successful, they will have a 709 on their airman record for 2 years, then it goes away. A 709 ride is NOT considered an enforcement action.
 
Ziggyfuzz said:
Because the student is flying on the cfi's ticket, the cfi will be required to be re-examined under usc 44-709. This rule states that ANY time there is an accident, the airman must have their qualifications re-examined. Well, the airman in this case is the cfi. I come by this info honestly! A student of mine bent an airplane during solo pattern flight 10 years ago. I was 709'd on takeoffs landings and go arounds. The.cfi is.successful, they will have a 709 on their airman record for 2 years, then it goes away. A 709 ride is NOT considered an enforcement action.
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A CFI I know (and flew with) had a student bust an airplane during pattern work and all the FAA did was talk to him.
 
The 709 ride is at the request of the FAA. It is offered as an 'alternative' to certificate action if they suspect that the CFI could have been negligent.
 
I stand corrected. I was told at the time, by the inspector that it was mansatory. Too young to question it at the time, but your statement prompted me to read the code...thanks!
 
So a 709 shows up on your record even if you pass? I'm guessing that doesn't help your chances at an airline.
 
JordanD said:
So a 709 shows up on your record even if you pass? I'm guessing that doesn't help your chances at an airline.
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Yes it does show up on your record but it does not show as an accident incident or enforcement action; only that you had to take a 709 ride. After 2 years it goes away. When I was hired at my first airline my 709 was still on my record and it was a non issue.
 
Why are pilots always living in such paranoid state? Got to fly another day, enjoy life and be happy.........
 
tbstanto said:
Obviously she was off course.... and I would think that if the CFI reviewed the flight plan and route, he might have noticed that the terrain that she was flying through was pretty unforgiving and potentially inpassable in a light single. But that being said, she seemed to say things in the interview that makes me think that she had some decent training. Pitching for airspeed, recognizing that she is in too tight a place to turn around, and having the proper survival gear packed....not bad.
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She was off course, as reported in the article. If she were on the CFI-reviewed flight plan route, this probably wouldn't have occurred.
 
Well, I dunno. She sounded way out of her element on that interview. She was also quite lost.
 
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