Asiana Airline's High Rate of Go Arounds at SFO

In the case of SFO, GO-arounds are mostly initiated by ATC due to spacing constrictions. They are constantly feeding aircraft into the 28s while launching off the 1s.
 
Inverted said:
Asiana can no longer accept a visual approach into anywhere per new company rules. They must use an IAP with vertical guidance.
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So … surely that doesn't mean they're going to pay for the 0.3 RNP upgrade necessary on their 747s and 767s (for when the ILS is OTS UFN).
 
z987k said:
Flight canceled for CAVU wx.
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Imagine the litigation if they turned off the ILS on them, and they had an accident... o_O

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Inverted said:
Asiana can no longer accept a visual approach into anywhere per new company rules. They must use an IAP with vertical guidance.
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Perfect. So when they have a complete electrical failure, we are going to see a much worse outcome then this last one?
 
scooter2525 said:
Go on...
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I think a 777 is different in terms of its backup electrical system, but speaking from experience in an ER-model 767: You'd have both engines flamed out, an APU that won't start, and a hydraulic motor generator that suddenly doesn't work. You'd also be out of battery power.

But no vertical guidance. Scary! :)
 
dasleben said:
I think a 777 is different in terms of its backup electrical system, but speaking from experience in an ER-model 767: You'd have both engines flamed out, an APU that won't start, and a hydraulic motor generator that suddenly doesn't work. You'd also be out of battery power.

But no vertical guidance. Scary! :)
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I figured as much with a plane like that. And to make a point the full electrical failure is what I could think of at the time.

If it is the case that they aren't allowed to do visuals, one would think they are working on a way to remedy issues, right?
 
Inverted said:
Asiana can no longer accept a visual approach into anywhere per new company rules. They must use an IAP with vertical guidance.
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Not that I work for one, which I don't, but there are a number of foreign operators with the same restriction.
 
Hilarious is that a news report said:

https://www.wwgp1050.com/2013/07/29...s-on-foreign-pilots-landing-at-san-francisco/

(SAN FRANCISCO) — The Federal Aviation Administration is no longer allowing visual approach landings at San Francisco International Airport to foreign airlines landing there, ABC News has learned.​
“Apparently the FAA is seeing that foreign carriers are not able to handle this visual approach at SFO and they’re no longer allowing anybody except U.S. crews to hand fly approaches into SFO,” says ABC News aviation consultant Col. Steve Ganyard.​
Ganyard says the new policy is no doubt a result of the July 6 Asiana Airlines crash landing in which three people died.​
The Boeing 777, which originated in Seoul, South Korea, was carrying 291 passengers and 16 crew members when it crash-landed on the airport runway and burst into flames.​
The National Transportation Safety Board has not yet determined the cause of the crash. However, investigators have said Flight 214 was flying “significantly below” its target speed during approach when the crew tried to abort the landing just before the plane crashed onto the runway.​
Ganyard says the policy change is also in response to an increase in “go arounds” by foreign crews landing at the airport.​
“Apparently in the past couple weeks we’ve seen more of these visual approaches that have not gone as well as they should have and these aircraft have done what’s called waving off, which means they go around…bring up the gear and they go around and they try again,” he says.​
Ganyard notes that the FAA is only focusing on foreign carriers, not U.S. carriers: “They’re saying they’re only seeing these problems with foreign carriers which raises the question: Are foreign carriers trained to the degree they need to be to fly within U.S. airspace?”​
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I'd be far more worried about tired heavy pilots shooting the JFK charted visual 13L. I'd probably botch that and I'm not ferrrrrn​
 
dasleben said:
New York: The only damn set of international airports in the world still operating with backward-assed circling approaches. Newark is the worst with those circling approaches to 29.
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I agree.

I have never done as many VOR approaches in my life than I've done to JFK. I think I've done more VOR approaches there than I did during flight training at Riddle and conducting flight instruction as a CFI.

Back asswards pre-KI Sawyer, non-towered, no flipping radar below 4000' KMQT had more advanced approaches.

Something else I don't think people realize. In the states, the big aircraft and long haul destinations are flown by fairly junior pilots and the bouncy-bounce small gauge domestic stuff is flown by the more senior pilots in many countries.
 
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