"Tarmac" Delays

I dunno. I like that the media uses the term "tarmac delay." Airport delay isn't quite right, since that could be just delayed flights. Runway delay isn't really right either. Ramp delay would confuse non-pilots.

Isn't it pretty much perfect for describing to a lay person what they are talking about?
 
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The pedant in me is always correcting my wife on the correct use of "lie" vs. "lay" and its various tenses. She insists that even though I'm correct, nobody talks like that, and she's not going to either. I guess tarmac is the same thing: if a word gets used incorrectly long enough, whoever makes dictionaries says, "We give up and we give in. Happy?"

Is lie vs. lay (the original meaning) still taught in schools these days?
 
Language began to change and the nuance of meaning to evolve when the first word was spoken. Were it not so we would still be using the King's English or something worse.
 
RedBaron2000 said:
The pedant in me is always correcting my wife on the correct use of "lie" vs. "lay" and its various tenses. She insists that even though I'm correct, nobody talks like that, and she's not going to either. I guess tarmac is the same thing: if a word gets used incorrectly long enough, whoever makes dictionaries says, "We give up and we give in. Happy?"

Is lie vs. lay (the original meaning) still taught in schools these days?
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I can see how an argument/discussion would ensue if I approached my wife with, "I was lied today while at work" vs. "I was layed today while at work". Of course you could always lie to get layed but that's a discussion for another time, and I've digressed enough....
 
Dynamic manning. That was the cause of both of these issues (DFW and ORD). That and "too little, too late" from the SOC stopping planes from departing the outstations. L-AE management also does that ostrich sticking its head in the sand maneuver whenever the crap hits the fan at the hubs.

All about spending $1 to save $.5
 
RedBaron2000 said:
The pedant in me is always correcting my wife on the correct use of "lie" vs. "lay" and its various tenses. She insists that even though I'm correct, nobody talks like that, and she's not going to either. I guess tarmac is the same thing: if a word gets used incorrectly long enough, whoever makes dictionaries says, "We give up and we give in. Happy?"

Is lie vs. lay (the original meaning) still taught in schools these days?
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I'm with ya, though "correct" doesn't mean much if its not common usage.

We say "minimums" all the time. That shouldn't be a word, but at some point people forgot that the plural form was minima, and here we are.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
I'm with ya, though "correct" doesn't mean much if its not common usage.
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Ohhhhhh really?

Does thou tarry amongst thy kinsmen presently? I doubt as much kind sir. Yet, thoust beckons judgment on thy folly, as the raven wails from on high commanding all eyes for its passage. Dire days layeth ahead assuredly for thy erren tongue and paucity of manner! A pox on you sir!
 
dustoff17 said:
I can see how an argument/discussion would ensue if I approached my wife with, "I was lied today while at work" vs. "I was layed today while at work". Of course you could always lie to get layed but that's a discussion for another time, and I've digressed enough....
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I should probably clarify - saying I'm "always" correcting my wife on lie vs. lay, I really mean we had a discussion about it one time. Because even the pedant in me realizes if I ever want to "lie" with my wife or want "to have been lain" again, I best keep my mouth shut. ;)
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
I'm with ya, though "correct" doesn't mean much if its not common usage.

We say "minimums" all the time. That shouldn't be a word, but at some point people forgot that the plural form was minima, and here we are.
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Yeah, but that's because in aviation we have our own language, terms, and dictionaries. I mean, if you were to use the term "minimums" outside of aviation, that would be incorrect.:sarcasm:

On second thought, I will make it my endeavor to say minima from now on, and correct every pilot I ever fly with. (kidding again)
 
rframe said:
Ohhhhhh really?

Does thou tarry amongst thy kinsmen presently? I doubt as much kind sir. Yet, thoust beckons judgment on thy folly, as the raven wails from on high commanding all eyes for its passage. Dire days layeth ahead assuredly for thy erren tongue and paucity of manner! A pox on you sir!
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LOL

I was just commiserating with the man, and I get a pox!
 
I don't care what the idiots in the media and the flying public call it. Their opinion and 7 bucks gets you a latte at Starbucks. That said, woe be unto you as a flying crewmember if you use that term. I will have to call my associates Jules and Vincent to strike down with great vengeance and furious anger those who would misuse that term. Ramp, taxiway, runway...we should all know better.
 
Rocketman99 said:
I don't care what the idiots in the media and the flying public call it. Their opinion and 7 bucks gets you a latte at Starbucks. That said, woe be unto you as a flying crewmember if you use that term. I will have to call my associates Jules and Vincent to strike down with great vengeance and furious anger those who would misuse that term. Ramp, taxiway, runway...we should all know better.
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Please...

It's a traditional aviation term. I've even flown from a couple of small (old) airports that still have Tarmac near the old hangars. I kind of like the throwback to traditional aviation.

How about this, do you ever say, "Field in sight" to ATC when they ask? Or do you correct them on the radio? "Sir, it's an airport." I haven't landed in a field lately, but that term sure is thrown around a lot by professionals, ATC and pilots alike.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Please...

It's a traditional aviation term. I've even flown from a couple of small (old) airports that still have Tarmac near the old hangars. I kind of like the throwback to traditional aviation.

How about this, do you ever say, "Field in sight" to ATC when they ask? Or do you correct them on the radio? "Sir, it's an airport." I haven't landed in a field lately, but that term sure is thrown around a lot by professionals, ATC and pilots alike.
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"Aerodrome."

-ducks-
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
Please...

It's a traditional aviation term. I've even flown from a couple of small (old) airports that still have Tarmac near the old hangars. I kind of like the throwback to traditional aviation.

How about this, do you ever say, "Field in sight" to ATC when they ask? Or do you correct them on the radio? "Sir, it's an airport." I haven't landed in a field lately, but that term sure is thrown around a lot by professionals, ATC and pilots alike.
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There are places still called "field." Using "aerodrome" sounds amusing. Using "tarmac" sounds like a term likely blocked by the profanity filter. There aren't new/modern/major airports that still have/use "tarmac." Apples to pineapples. :)

The point is the talking heads don't have a clue, which therefore makes it irritating. Wanna make it simple and correct, just call it ground and at least be accurate. "Flight 123 was stuck for three hours on the ground today at XYZ airport."
 
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