Landing Incident @ SFO

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Very true, the worse rapid deceleration force plane crash aftermath that I've seen is people actually being ripped in half at the seat belt.
 
Seggy said:
People were flung from the aircraft.
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Not surprising at all. The rear bulkhead was severally compromised. Can't see the bottom of the airplane, but if the rear bulkhead has the much damage because the tail got smashed off at the sea wall, the spinning of the plane would almost certainly have flung people out. Probably saved their lives.

Again... just incredible that there are 'only' two casualties. Lots of severe back and internal injuries, though.
 
HVYMETALDRVR said:
I guess I've been given wrong info, the fire trucks I've seen driving look like they maybe going slightly faster than that, but it is perspective so its hard to tell. The police cruisers on the other hand are going warp speed. In fact I specifically remember about 3 weeks ago seeing one whiz by and being impressed, like wayyy faster than highway police chase speeds on television... Though in this situation it appears the victim was hit by a fire truck, not a police cruiser.
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When I was in airport Ops (not ARFF, just in the tailing SUV and that was a short lived career I don't claim real expertise in), the few times I actually chased I remember the speeds being more like 60 so you could keep a safe distance from debris and anything unpredictable. In a street car, insane speeds are indeed easy to get to on a runway if you want to. I managed to do just shy of 135 in a Suburban and I can attest that an F-550 Bowmonk MU truck will do 110 with 250 gallons of water in the bed tank. I imagine a trained officer in a cruiser can safely exceed any of that. A runway provides such a well paved, huge, marked, traffic-less environment that speeds just seem much more than they are as the normal cares of even the craziest interstate speeder don't exist.
 
Seems everything began going wrong after the AP was disconnected 82 seconds before impact. Would be interesting to see the flightaware data during that time (just for poops and giggles of course)
 
Seggy said:
I know there was a lot of heartburn when I posted the info from FlightAware, but the NTSB has confirmed that the data is relatively accurate, at least groundspeed wise....
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Should be no heartburn; so long as people know that it's just "unofficial" information that simply needs further correlation before being accepted as gospel. IE- "reference only"; which is how you couched it when you reported it. So there shouldn't have been any heartburn, IMO.
 
Does anyone know what kind of radar feeds the information in FlightAware? In other words, is it a PAR-quality radar, or other? There can be a significant difference in the validity of radar velocity information between different types of radars, different PRFs, scan rates, etc.
 
SeanD said:
Seems everything began going wrong after the AP was disconnected 82 seconds before impact. Would be interesting to see the flightaware data during that time (just for poops and giggles of course)
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Boris Badenov said:
It's high time to take action and demand the removal of yokes and sidesticks from airline cockpits! Damned things are a menace!
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Shouldn't have disconnected the autopilot. This might make the case for UAV airliners.....:)
 
Boris Badenov said:
It's high time to take action and demand the removal of yokes and sidesticks from airline cockpits! Damned things are a menace!
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Don't give them any ideas....

Something about that old joke with a single pilot in the cockpit and a dog there to bite him if he tries to make any inputs.
 
MikeD said:
Shouldn't have disconnected the autopilot. This might make the case for UAV airliners.....:)
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If anything this is going to make the case (once again) why cabatoge is BAD.

ATN_Pilot, you need to press a certain someone this week to make it clear to those inside the beltway to put the safety cultures and a lack of a high level of training environment with these airlines on high display.
 
Seggy said:
I know there was a lot of heartburn when I posted the info from FlightAware, but the NTSB has confirmed that the data is relatively accurate, at least groundspeed wise...
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I (we) said that the Flight Aware data can be pretty good, but that we've seen anomalies. Anomalies especially in the first few minutes and the last few minutes of flights, and that given the lack of overall consistency, especially in those last few hits around the airport, it would seem less than prudent to publish those kinds of numbers for, well, anything. That was (and is) my point.

I said nothing about whether these specific numbers were accurate or not.
 
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ATN_Pilot, you need to press a certain someone this week to make it clear to those inside the beltway to put the safety cultures and a lack of a high level of training environment exist with these airlines.
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That sentence came through garbled. Translation please?
 
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