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Landing Incident @ SFO
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TheFlyingTurkey
Fetus Worshiper
There are no accidents!
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Accidents are what happen to people's pants when there is an incident.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
All kidding aside, he is correct:
An aviation accident is defined by the Convention on International Civil Aviation Annex 13 as an occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft, which takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight until such time as all such persons have disembarked, where a person is fatally or seriously injured, the aircraft sustains damage or structural failure or the aircraft is missing or is completely inaccessible.[1]
An aviation incident is defined as an occurrence, other than an accident, associated with the operation of an aircraft that affects or could affect the safety of operations.[3]
An accident in which the damage to the aircraft is such that it must be written off, or in which the plane is destroyed is a hull loss accident.[3]
I may be jumping to conclusions here , but I'm gonna go with this is a hull loss accident. There's not that much duct tape made that'll get that plane flying again.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
All it takes is money!
This:
...was rebuilt from this (this photo is the parts of the wreckage being removed from a junkyard where it had been 'stored' for decades):
Bandit_Driver
Gold Member
They'll probably put it back together and make it into a freighter that doesn't fly straight
msmspilot
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They'll probably put it back together and make it into a freighter that doesn't fly straight
I would laugh, but that's not funny.
Bandit_Driver
Gold Member
Didn't get to read through all 30 pages, so I apologize if this was already posted.
A passenger may have been run over by a CFR vehicle responding to the crash.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/08/san-f...-may-have-been-killed-by-fire-engine-3872798/
A passenger may have been run over by a CFR vehicle responding to the crash.
http://metro.co.uk/2013/07/08/san-f...-may-have-been-killed-by-fire-engine-3872798/
HVYMETALDRVR
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I was in ground school recently and the training department was really (prior to this accident) harping on corralling the pax to one defined area and making sure to notify ATC where that area is (IE fwd of the aircraft, left wing, right wing, etc) and they can pass it on on to EMER responders. Those fire trucks, rescues, and police cars are approaching the crash are doing about 100-120mph... I j/s'ed on a DL MD-80 recently and the captain two big items in the brief were the O2 masks and "if we evac, please don't run away screaming bc everyone will follow you!"
Far easier said than done. It's a great plan, but damn near impossible to do with 50 pax, much less 300, and a handful of cabin crew. They can harp all they like about trying to do it, but depending on the situation, it can and usually will be, nearly impossible.
And did they really teach you that the CFR trucks do 100 - 120 mph?
sdfcvoh
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Far easier said than done. It's a great plan, but damn near impossible to do with 50 pax, much less 300, and a handful of cabin crew. They can harp all they like about trying to do it, but depending on the situation, it can and usually will be, nearly impossible.
And did they really teach you that the CFR trucks do 100 - 120 mph?
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HVYMETALDRVR
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Far easier said than done. It's a great plan, but damn near impossible to do with 50 pax, much less 300, and a handful of cabin crew. They can harp all they like about trying to do it, but depending on the situation, it can and usually will be, nearly impossible.
And did they really teach you that the CFR trucks do 100 - 120 mph?
I agree about the pax, although thats why we have F/A's also... I've seen they're training exercises at JFK paralleling 31L-13R, they're definitely going MUCH faster than highway speed that's for sure.
Of course you have the FAs. My point being that the pax to cabin crew ratio is so skewed, not to mention having most of them still inside the cabin during an emergency evac doing their job, that there's few if any people outside the aircraft to manage the large number of pax, especially when the situation is chaotic and not a "vanilla" evac (whatever that is
). It's great to try and do, don't get me wrong, but in practice I would think it darn near impossible for the cabin/flight crew to manage, even with their best efforts.The large CFR rigs top out at about 65-70, but aren't often driven that fast even during an emergency, as they have to severely slow for turns and have great rollover potential. It's been done more than once.
And problems with CFR aren't new either, and not just with the equipment such as in UA232. When UA 811 was returning at night to HNL after an explosive decompression out over the pacific, there was a near "high" speed collision between a responding City of Honolulu airport fire dept CFR rig, and a USAF CFR rig from Hickam AFB, as both were speeding to their staging points along the runway. USAF rig was hard to see as it was painted dark olive drab green (as all PACAF vehicles were), as opposed to the lime green that mainland vehicles used and the HNL FD vehicles were using. Following that incident, reflective striping for the OD green vehicles began making a large showing, with a black stripe by day, that reflects silver at night.
SteveCostello
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I'm actually wondering if people were flung out of the aircraft at impact and the subsequent pirouette the 777 did before finally coming to rest. I ask that because of the reports of people coming out of the water. Some were wondering if people were dousing themselves... I'm wondering if they were just tossed there. If that was the case, fair chance that girl was just on the ground and the rescue team didn't see her.
There are all kinds of scenarios to where someone can get hit by a vehicle on a scene, even specific to an aircraft accident. Numbers of people, people all over the place, things that can't be seen once foam application starts from the top and bumper turrets (even with windshield wipers going). CFR driver/operators just have to take things slow but efficient, and try to keep the adrenaline in check as best as possible, hitting the exits and keeping the escape path clear first and foremost with initial rigs, and fighting the balance of the fire with the rest.
rframe
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Many airplane projects have been built up around a data plate. Probably not so much with 777's, but ya know...
Boris Badenov
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Many airplane projects have been built up around a data plate. Probably not so much with 777's, but ya know...
Yeah I tend to snarf a little bit when people get all wound up about a crashed P-51. "Oh, the history, the lost history, we must ground these priceless treasures before we lose another!". Chillax, they can just salvage the dataplate and build another one...just like they did the last time.
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