Landing Incident @ SFO

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canadian_atc said:
Holy crap... it really did almost cartwheel, I thought that was just typical mis information
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It's going to be interesting to see what the FDR's show from this. The aircraft ended up facing pretty close to the direction of the runway that they landed on, so did they do a 360?
 
Well, to those who just heard the NTSB press conference, she just read out what the CVR and FDR has shown so far. Idle power, below Vref speed, and stick shaker go off. A go around was called. That's what she has said so far.
 
Seggy said:
For those complaining about Fox News why watch it?
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Zidac said:
I'm guilty of occasionally watching out of curiosity. I can typically only stand about 60 seconds at a time, though.
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Much like Zidac I watch just to see the idiots. I cycle through CNN/MSNBC/FoxNews continuously just because I get fed up fairly quickly.
You could insert the news channel of your ire, I put FN in there because that was where it occured.

In situations like this the idiots are equally distributed between the channels.


I am watching the NTSB briefing right now and half expect them to ask the Chairwoman if there were any celebrities on board.
 
Mostly basics, but here are notes from the Deborah Hersman conference going on now:

CVR:
-CVR 2 hr recording, good quality
-recording began in cruise flight
-Flight cleared for visual approach 28L
-Confirmed by crew
-Aircraft configured for approach (based on CVR)
-Flaps 30 degrees, gear down (based on CVR)
-Target speed 137 kts (based on CVR)
-Approach proceeds normally during descent, no discussion of anomalies or concerns
-Call from crewmember to increase speed made 7 seconds prior to impact
-Stick shaker 4 seconds in impact
-Call to initiate go-around 1.5 seconds to impact

FDR:
-24 hrs of recorded data
-1400 parameters
-captured entire flight
-During approach, data indicate throttle idle
-Airspeed below target airspeed
-Throttles advanced few seconds prior to impact
-Engines respond normally
 
Yeah, I am watching it. No bueno. Airspeeed below what is needed and they are low and flat....no time left to do anything.
 
Zidac said:
Mostly basics, but here are notes from the Deborah Hersman conference going on now:

CVR:
-CVR 2 hr recording, good quality
-recording began in cruise flight
-Flight cleared for visual approach 28L
-Confirmed by crew
-Aircraft configured for approach (based on CVR)
-Flaps 30 degrees, gear down (based on CVR)
-Target speed 137 kts (based on CVR)
-Approach proceeds normally during descent, no discussion of anomalies or concerns
-Call from crewmember to increase speed made 7 seconds prior to impact
-Stick shaker 4 seconds in impact
-Call to initiate go-around 1.5 seconds to impact

FDR:
-24 hrs of recorded data
-1400 parameters
-captured entire flight
-During approach, data indicate throttle idle
-Airspeed below target airspeed
-Throttles advanced few seconds prior to impact
-Engines respond normally
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Very interesting. Thanks for posting.
 
A Life Aloft said:
Yeah, I am watching it. No bueno. Airspeeed below what is needed and they are low and flat....no time left to do anything.
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That's what stood out for me. They were below their target airspeed yet the call to increase came only 7 seconds prior to impact? You can look at the time of impact on video and then go back 7 seconds. They were in trouble well before that.
 
For those of us who don't fly jets, how long does it take from when you increase power to when you actually get that power?
 
Just now:

"We are not talking about a few knots here or there. We are talking about a significant amount below 137." -Deborah Hersman
 
exneophyte said:
For those of us who don't fly jets, how long does it take from when you increase power to when you actually get that power?
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More time and altitude than they had. You can't just go from idle to enough power that quickly....the engines need time to spool back up even though your airborne idle is higher than your ground idle.
 
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