Interesting ASRS report

I_Money said:
Just the incident itself, the way it was written in the oh the check airman saw let me cover it up, to how he would prevent it next time, etc.
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Yes, the FO wrote the ASAP as a CYA. But every ASAP is discussed by a panel comprised of the company, the union, and the FAA, so you are incorrect in saying that the FO was trying to "cover it up" by writing an ASAP.

I kind of alluded to this in a previous post, but if somebody pulled this with me there would have been a conversation that went something like "if you pull another "maneuver" like that you'll be explaining to the chief pilot why your FO is sitting in the terminal refusing to set foot in the cockpit with you."
 
ERfly said:
Sounds similar to the famous Manzanillo Air Show incident several years back at a large regional. They may have been non-radar, but they weren't non-FOQA and the illustrations showed on the backdrops of the crew room computers for days to come.
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What is this incident?
 
Kingairer said:
We would have to have a limit on uber likes. For example you get 4 über likes a week. Quality assurance for uber likes.
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Ooh! Let me go dig around on Xenforo.com and see if there are any interesting mods
 
SurferLucas said:
What is this incident?
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Basically a crew blasted off out of ZLO, buzzed the beach at 500' and 300 knots, did a 50 degree bank turn to join up on the airway climbed to altitude at Max Continuous Thrust for the next 45 minutes. When the Gate Keepers contacted them, rumor has it the Captain got pissed, blew them off and told them they had no business questioning what he did.

I heard another rumor that they ended up being able to fire the Captain because he cooked the engines operating at MCT for 45 minutes.
 
ERfly said:
Basically a crew blasted off out of ZLO, buzzed the beach at 500' and 300 knots, did a 50 degree bank turn to join up on the airway climbed to altitude at Max Continuous Thrust for the next 45 minutes. When the Gate Keepers contacted them, rumor has it the Captain got pissed, blew them off and told them they had no business questioning what he did.

I heard another rumor that they ended up being able to fire the Captain because he cooked the engines operating at MCT for 45 minutes.
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Oh... My.... GOD.

Really?

REEEEEEEEEAALLYYYYYYYY?
 
ERfly said:
Basically a crew blasted off out of ZLO, buzzed the beach at 500' and 300 knots, did a 50 degree bank turn to join up on the airway climbed to altitude at Max Continuous Thrust for the next 45 minutes. When the Gate Keepers contacted them, rumor has it the Captain got pissed, blew them off and told them they had no business questioning what he did.

I heard another rumor that they ended up being able to fire the Captain because he cooked the engines operating at MCT for 45 minutes.
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Huh?
 
Derg said:
Oh... My.... GOD.

Really?

REEEEEEEEEAALLYYYYYYYY?
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MikeOH58 said:
Huh?
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The use of CON thrust mode (= MCT) on the EMB-145 was prohibited for non-emergency situations, at least at the operator I worked for.

Even if the power plant is certificated for so and so ITT for so and so time (or indefinitely), running at that thrust setting indefinitely will have an adverse effect on powerplant life.
 
MikeOH58 said:
Huh?
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As I understand it, MCT is Brazilian for, "You just had an engine failure, and NEED to hold altitude, and we're going to let you do it as long as possibly at this thrust setting, but really, don't be an idiot with it."

Kind of how "Three Green" really means, "The nosewheel door is down and locked" in the ERJ. They had an EICAS message telling them something was wrong, but they ALSO had a three green indication.

american_airlines_gearupLanding.jpg
 
I_Money said:
This forum isn't for the outside perspective - regional guys are generally younger and don't have the years of experience or professionalism that comes with age - kind of like 3701. Just the incident itself, the way it was written in the oh the check airman saw let me cover it up, to how he would prevent it next time, etc.

Not saying that all regional pilots fit in the category - but much like more residents do stupid stuff over attending doctors it's just an observation.
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The replacement worker (scab) is giving a lecture about professionalism?

Interesting.
 
PositionAndHold said:
The version I heard while I was there, they actually went to accel height before they pushed it back over to "tour" the beach. At least they didn't have a moped in the back too. :)
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I would assume they did, too. They did clean up the flaps. However, at that time, standard accel height was 400'.
 
ERfly said:
I would assume they did, too. They did clean up the flaps. However, at that time, standard accel height was 400'.
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I guess I should've added I heard they were below 400'. So they cleaned up then descended. But I'm sure there are multiple versions of the story.
 
jtrain609 said:
As I understand it, MCT is Brazilian for, "You just had an engine failure, and NEED to hold altitude, and we're going to let you do it as long as possibly at this thrust setting, but really, don't be an idiot with it."

Kind of how "Three Green" really means, "The nosewheel door is down and locked" in the ERJ. They had an EICAS message telling them something was wrong, but they ALSO had a three green indication.

american_airlines_gearupLanding.jpg
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I seem to remember that FO, who called for the go-around, is a chief pilot now.
 
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