No non-flying work for certificate holder during required rest periods.

[MidlifeFlyer]

In a written interpretation published June 18, 2013, the FAA Chief Counsel's office held the Part 135 rest and duty requirements preclude any work for the certificate holder or a related company during required rest periods. Applying the 135.273(a) definition of rest period as "the period free of all responsibility for work or duty should the occasion arise," to Part 135 pilots, the Chief Counsel's office held a pilot cannot work for the certificate holder's FBO, saying, "The short answer is that work performed for the certificate holder cannot take place during a required rest period." The opinion is available here.

 

[Roger Roger]

Right in line with their previous interpretations. Thanks for the post.

 

[vheissu]

And I still expect nothing to change in the 135 world. 24/7 on call is alive and well.

 

[SeanD]

And I still expect nothing to change in the 135 world. 24/7 on call is alive and well.

Is your handle a Thrice reference by chance?

 

[vheissu]

Is your handle a Thrice reference by chance?

Sure is! They'll always be a special band in my eyes. Illusion of Safety and Identity Crisis were the soundtrack to my life back in the early 2000s.

 

[SeanD]

Sure is! They'll always be a special band in my eyes. Illusion of Safety and Identity Crisis were the soundtrack to my life back in the early 2000s.

Nice! Same here, both are in my all time top ten best records ever.

 

[Nark]

No idea who they were. Saw them live as a fill in band, and I was hooked.
For me it's artist in an ambulance.
Nice pic btw.

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

And I still expect nothing to change in the 135 world. 24/7 on call is alive and well.

If POIs would fall in line, this would go away.

 

[vheissu]

No idea who they were. Saw them live as a fill in band, and I was hooked.
For me it's artist in an ambulance.
Nice pic btw.

Great album as well. They are solid live. Dustin can sing perfect.. its unreal.

 

[skypilot6]

No idea who they were. Saw them live as a fill in band, and I was hooked.
For me it's artist in an ambulance.
Nice pic btw.

Incredible band, seen them live several times.

Silhouette is an all time fav on my list.

 

[Xcaliber]

And I still expect nothing to change in the 135 world. 24/7 on call is alive and well.

Just a follow up on this, for those that need it:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...2009/mayors - (2009) legal interpretation.pdf

24/7 on call can only be legal if you get the required rest between the call and the flight (ie. long call).

 

[USMCmech]

If POIs would fall in line, this would go away.

The problem is that the FAA will violate the pilot and not the company that is forcing him to fly.

Unless they document that a pilot actually flew a flight in violation of the rest rules, then there has been no violation. If a pilot did fly past his duty day, then the PILOT is the one in hot water. Never mind that the company threatened his livelihood if he didn't take the flight. The FAA will occasionally try to violate a company but companies have plenty of money to fight enforcement actions, pilots who just go fired do not. The FAA only has so much money to fight enforcement actions, so they go after the pilot who can't afford to fight back.

The FAA needs to grant pilots whistle blower protection for commercial pilots who report violations.

 

[MidlifeFlyer]

The problem is that the FAA will violate the pilot and not the company that is forcing him to fly.

That's a problem with a lot of stuff in the 135 world. I had dinner with an FAA enforcement lawyer a few years ago. I was preparing do do an enforcement seminar at my local airport and asked him what he saw as the big issues. When I told him that my audience included Part 135 pilots, this was #1 - pilots being the only ones violated for what everyone "knows" (but can't necessarily prove) were pushed by the employers. Mostly airworthiness violations, but this would be in there also.

 

[dasleben]

Just a follow up on this, for those that need it:

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...2009/mayors - (2009) legal interpretation.pdf

24/7 on call can only be legal if you get the required rest between the call and the flight (ie. long call).

That's how long-call has worked at my most recent companies. 24/6 (with a 24 hour rest once a week), and if you're called, you're immediately released to rest.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

That's how long-call has worked at my most recent companies. 24/6 (with a 24 hour rest once a week), and if you're called, you're immediately released to rest.

Ditto at my 121 for long call - prospectively determining that a pilot will be rested.

Of course, that doesn't really change my Circadian around much...but yeah.

 

[dasleben]

Ditto at my 121 for long call - prospectively determining that a pilot will be rested.

Of course, that doesn't really change my Circadian around much...but yeah.

The benefit with this company is that we don't sit long-call on the road. The worst that'll happen is that you'd be called at home to position somewhere.