Day in the life of a UAV Operator?

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What's life like as the Civilian/PMC operator of a UAV? Is it interesting? Mind-numbing? Do you feel like it's rewarding work?

What's a daily routine like?

(I am amenable to PM replies if you don't want to post openly. I understand there may be nuances not appropriate for an open forum.)

I am seeking information.
 
Based on what I've seen in the AF, mind-numbing. Could be interesting for a civilian to see what the ISR business is like, but outside of that there's not much 'flying' that occurs.
 
I think it's kinda like this:
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Combined with some of this:
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But you get to wear a flight suit, so it's pretty rad:
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* Legal Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about and am just a bored guy stuck in a cubicle
 
They are having big mental breakdown issues with a large number of the operators because of the dual reality they live in. These guys are listening/watching a live firefight one minute and then the next they are clocking out to go pick up their kid to get ice cream.
 
They are having big mental breakdown issues with a large number of the operators because of the dual reality they live in. These guys are listening/watching a live firefight one minute and then the next they are clocking out to go pick up their kid to get ice cream.


Yeah, I've heard and read about some of that. Curious, though, about what the day-to-day is like. Clock in, fire up? Launch? Handover from one crew already flying? How are you managed? What/how does advancement work?

Stuff like that.
 
There is a guy I know out here in Vegas whose band shares a practice studio with my band. He does this for the AF. Im not sure how much info, if any, he can disclose but I will see if he would be willing to join JC to answer what he can.
 
They are having big mental breakdown issues with a large number of the operators because of the dual reality they live in. These guys are listening/watching a live firefight one minute and then the next they are clocking out to go pick up their kid to get ice cream.

Maybe it's the stress of taking a kid for ice cream. Has anybody been to a Mr. Gatti's lately?
 
There are several of us right here on JC who have ISR and Pred experience right here on JC, just from the military perspective. We can speak to the mission elements, mission duration, typical activities, etc, but obviously cannot add to the aspects specific to being a civilian contractor (like schedule management and the like).

Remember that most RPAs operating over in the warzones are launched and recovered (taken off and landed) by specifically dedicated groups of pilots in theater who have line-of-sight to the aircraft during those times (due to the altitudes line-of-sight to the satellites cannot always be maintained, and the time delay in the controls can lead to accidents).

If you are located in the CONUS, you will be getting a handoff of an aircraft all ready in flight and enroute to the tasking or at the tasking when you start your mission/shift.

With respect to your actions during the mission, it differs. We've discussed this on JC before, and there is disagreement as to the level of involvement of the pilot in mission execution. In the military, for a mission whose prime goal is simply intel collection (Pattern of life, FMV prime, etc), the pilot is really just a babysitter for the aircraft and a chauffeur for the intel payload. It is the Intel analyst who is driving the fight as far as where you go and what you look at when you get there, and it is a sensor operator who is pointing the FMV ball and talking/communicating with the "customer" you are working for. Previous posts in other threads here have indicated that tasks and responsibilities may be different for the civilian operators.

There is a whole spectrum of operations that an RPA can be involved in, from passive operations where you are essentially staring at nothing in order to collect data on the pattern of life of a group of people or a certain geographic area, all the way to being involved in overwatch of active raids by SOF troops or supporting real troops-in-contact engagements. There is a lot of real estate in between those two ends of the spectrum, and the "excitement factor" differs significantly depending on where you are on that continuum.
 
These guys are listening/watching a live firefight one minute and then the next they are clocking out to go pick up their kid to get ice cream.

Or actually engaging/killing the enemy with live ordnance during the work day, and then running off to parent/teacher day at their kids' school afterward. That can tend to be mind-bending, especially when it is done for days and weeks and months on end.
 
I have a friend working as a civilian for a company flying UAVs under contract over in the middle east. He's a young guy fresh out of college. From what I've seen, he is making bank and he enjoys his time off going on vacation all over the U.S. I'm not sure where you're coming from, but from a single guy who just wants to make money perspective it is a very lucrative job. Obviously you're not getting any real flight time though.
 
What's life like as the Civilian/PMC operator of a UAV? Is it interesting? Mind-numbing? Do you feel like it's rewarding work?

What's a daily routine like?

(I am amenable to PM replies if you don't want to post openly. I understand there may be nuances not appropriate for an open forum.)

I am seeking information.

I did the civilian thing for about 4 years. It was fairly interesting the first year or so while your learning about the platform, it's capabilities, and ISR in general. Hours are long and most of the time, mind-numbing. If your attached to a SOF team or OGA mission, it can be very rewarding work. Those folks really appreciate your product and capabilities.
If your working for big Army or AF, its boring for sure. With Iraq wrapped up and A-stan winding down, most of the fun missions are over. Pay is fantastic though.

Daily routine: Eat, make coffee, drink coffee for a few hours, spend the next 10 or so hours taking shifts at the computer, gym, check bank account to lift the spirits, eat, check bank account again, sleep, repeat...
 
I have a friend working as a civilian for a company flying UAVs under contract over in the middle east. He's a young guy fresh out of college. From what I've seen, he is making bank and he enjoys his time off going on vacation all over the U.S. I'm not sure where you're coming from, but from a single guy who just wants to make money perspective it is a very lucrative job. Obviously you're not getting any real flight time though.

Where are these jobs listed? Monster.com? Did he actively seek out UAV employment or was he recruited by the Star League to defend the Frontier against Xur and the Ko-dan Armada? What kind of qualifications and background are UAV operators looking for?
 
Where are these jobs listed? Monster.com? Did he actively seek out UAV employment or was he recruited by the Star League to defend the Frontier against Xur and the Ko-dan Armada? What kind of qualifications and background are UAV operators looking for?

He pursued the job. It is civilian contract. The missions they do are classified, but I do know he sits in a bunker flying UAVs.... Qualifications of people I know who have been hired there included a college degree, an A&P, and a commercial pilot license.

http://www.aaicorp.com/

If you have any more questions feel free to PM me.
 
I think it's kinda like this:
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Combined with some of this:
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But you get to wear a flight suit, so it's pretty rad:
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* Legal Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about and am just a bored guy stuck in a cubicle

rframe hit it on the head!

Pic#1= Pilot
Pic#2= Avionics Technician
Pic#3= Sensor Operator

Hacker15e's description was pretty spot on from the military side. The civilian side is not much different since we are usually supporting each other.
 
I'll give you my basic rundown as far as daily life is concerned. I traded my pilot certificate(s) for an Xbox...I've now flown two different UAV platforms on three continents. Currently I'm flying ISR supporting SF elements in Afghanistan.

We work 12 hour shifts and live in the FOBs with the teams. That means sometimes we're subjected to IDF just like everyone else, and that part isn't a game. It's strange to me that the team guys treat us as if we're valuable assets and not computer geeks. We aren't tier 1 delta-seal-recons but we are good at what we do and that keeps them safe.

The ceiling in my first billet had a hole in it from a mortar and there is still blood in places on the floor.

Our missions vary day to day depending upon who needs support. For example, recently I was flying a "No one in, no one out" mission when another location came under RPG fire. We left our target to provide support to the base under fire which was very close. As a result the whole nights events changed. Something that was supposed to happen didn't and we were left doing boring ass POL (pattern of life) operations in sleepy locations.

Sometimes we fly overwatch for convoys, last week I found an IED ahead of a ANP convoy which felt awesome. Another time we were working in concert with another agency and prevented an ambush of US forces. That was bad ass.

The missions are "important" about half the time. The other half of the time they are mind numbingly boring. Imagine doing turns around a single point for 7 hours and counting the number of people who enter and exit. I've lost count of the number of people I've seen dig a hole and pinch a steaming loaf. That is not fun.

When we aren't flying we are maintaining. There are lots of ground support elements that need constant attention and if you have any sort of mechanical skill it will be used. That's both good and bad. It helps pass the time but we're not exactly working with OSHA approval on anything. It's hairy stuff at times between faulty ladders and exposed wires. Heck, our chow hall has a sign on each door that says "Danger, electrocution hazard inside."

If you're not the PIC you can pretty much count on being ground crew for him. That means lots of manual labor in temperatures that are almost always extreme while the PIC sits in air conditioned comfort.

As mentioned, it's one hell of a mind-F to see a fire fight. Since I'm a contractor I'm not allowed to be part of what they call the "kill chain." It is very illegal for me to say "contact (coordinates), single male with a weapon." I am required to inform an intel analyst who relays my information to the teams. I have some strong opinions about that but this is not the place for them.

I work 12hrs a day, 7 days a week, for 6 months 25 yards away from the wire that separates us from the bad guys. I'm weapons qualified but because of the Rules of Engagement I am not allowed to carry a weapon. When I'm home I carry a gun every damn day but I'm not allowed to in a war zone.

My company is pretty good, everyone knows who they are even if they don't know they know. They paid for my recent type rating ($100k) and my per diem is more than what a 3yr FO at a regional would make. That said, the money isn't as "stupid" as most people think because of the working conditions. I could pull 6 figures easy if I stayed gone for 8 months but that's just too long considering I left for here when my first son was 12 days old. No amount of money is worth what I'm missing out on. The nice thing is that when I'm here they double dip my insurance payments so that the 6mo that I'm off I don't have to worry about them.

Once my first 6mo are up I'll head home for at least 3mo, I can take up to 6. Then I repeat the process.

Flying UAV's is the easiest thing I've done in aviation. They aren't difficult at all. Once you figure out the logic then it's all just running checklists and guess what...Your hind-end isn't in aircraft so that removes a level of stress like you can't imagine.

The job and be mind-numbingly boring as you mentioned OP, but it is also rewarding as hell. When I do my job right some other guy gets to go home to his family and that is a powerful thing.
 
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