"Mystery Aircraft" over Quincy, MA. FAA being secretive

tomokc said:
If you want to freak out non-pilots, just tell them that you can fly an airplane over almost the entire country without a flight plan, clearance or communications, at any time. Just get in and go. Exceptions being busier airports, MOAs, coastal defense zones and a few executive areas. They think that everybody should be in the system at all times, under positive control, discrete frequency assigned, talking to ATC.
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Non-pilots are completely dumbfounded when I explain that a flight can be made from the Miami area to the Seattle area without using a radio. Or from NY to FL (done it several times) without radio communication. It's fun though.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Ah the Canadian myth that the US is one step from a police state. Not that I don't miss my months in Toronto but I thought the American's were the ignorant ones. It's been about 8 years since I've spent any length of time up there, is it still nightly news that America is "exporting violence" to Canada?
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Well, a simple example.

How many Canadian Air Marshalls do you think there are?
 
I know when I used to fly out of Deer Valley there was an outfit in the hanger whose plane looked like a porcupine with so many antennas. You could also tell who was on binocular duty that day as they were always a little green.
 
canadian_atc

I should point out security clearance (RAIC) pass in Canada is vastly different than what constitutes a "security" clearance down here in the US.
Commercial carrier pilots still do an FBI check.
 
Nark said:
canadian_atc

I should point out security clearance (RAIC) pass in Canada is vastly different than what constitutes a "security" clearance down here in the US.
Commercial carrier pilots still do an FBI check.
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CSIS Canada's CIA/FBI have one forum for security clxs

There are three options
Airport
Secret
Top secret

Pilots and airport workers file an airport application, which is vetted by CSIS going back 15 years of personal history.

The application for "secret"'is what ATC here fills out, not sure the diFference exactly in the Checks, mine took about 3-4 weeks
 
Hmmm

Just realized... CSIS=ISIS?

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canadian_atc said:
Well, a simple example.

How many Canadian Air Marshalls do you think there are?
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Help me guess with some hints? Is it comparable to the number of Air Marshal's I'd expect to find in Argentina or say 193 other countries in the world (I wouldn't expect anyone but US and Israel of having Marshal up in the air)? I suppose my estimate would also depend on job description, if it's short hours with the expectation of hugging the next tur'wrist until he gives up and buys a condo in Mississauga close to the Vietnamese district (everything has MSG on it), then I expect a number similar to ours.

You guys just broke up an attack on a train up in Canada a month or two ago didn't you? Al Qaeda was being blamed. Did someone find a way to blame it on us now? Maybe you should get a few Air Marshal's just to protect yourself from American's?
 
jynxyjoe said:
Help me guess with some hints? Is it comparable to the number of Air Marshal's I'd expect to find in Argentina or say 193 other countries in the world (I wouldn't expect anyone but US and Israel of having Marshal up in the air)? I suppose my estimate would also depend on job description, if it's short hours with the expectation of hugging the next tur'wrist until he gives up and buys a condo in Mississauga close to the Vietnamese district (everything has MSG on it), then I expect a number similar to ours.

You guys just broke up an attack on a train up in Canada a month or two ago didn't you? Al Qaeda was being blamed. Did someone find a way to blame it on us now? Maybe you should get a few Air Marshal's just to protect yourself from American's?
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rd757 said:
The CIA's history of having airplanes registered to dead-end LLC's is not exactly a secret, it wouldn't surprise me if they were behind the aircraft's operations. I would venture to guess it's nothing anyone should be worried about. I hate tin foil hats.
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KMZJ, just up the street from me, used to be the hub of this. Intermountain Aviation resided there for many years as a CIA front. I still have one of their company brochures.....they were an aircraft storage firm that also flew Twin Otters that dropped smokejumpers into fires.....as well as CIA agents into wherever they needed to go. The company motto was an interesting double entendre: "Total Air Support for Remote Operations." :)

The former head of Intermountain, Gar Thorsrud, now heads Sierra Pacific Airlines, also here in TUS. Formerly flying CV-580s, they now have a fleet of two 737-200s.
 
It's Ray Charles taking flying lessons and the FAA doesnt want to cause any concern amongst the residents.
 
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