Education Requirements

I'll make this simple, get the Bachelors degree. Even the majors/legacies who don't have it as an official requirement are ONLY hiring people with the degree.
 
voltage1256 said:
Hi all, sorry as it appears I caused confusion between some of you. I am getting my degree by going to campus everyday, not online. The Paramedic associates degree is the highest level of education for it where I live, compared to just getting a certification. I have the ability to transfer after I graduate and go to another university for my Bachelors in Emergency Management. However I'd like to begin the steps towards my flight career once I'm done with medic. Although as Jet put it for for DAL and FDX you need space shuttle time and a bachelors... is there any official count on how many Majors have dropped the degree 4/yr degree requirement?
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Don't waste your time trying to figure out how to do the minimum possible to get by. Take that time, and put it towards trying to be the best. I think it was summed up fairly well here, if I do say so myself:

A word of advice: While you're out there hustling to figure out a way to duck good advice, and get by with only the bare minimum, I'm out there hustling to get better training and experience while networking myself. If you ever find yourself trying to justify doing the least you possibly can to get by, and think that it will result in you getting ahead, rest assured there are people out there trying to do their absolute best every day.

What's that mean? It means that the folks you are competing against for a job are doing everything they can to BEAT YOU. If you're not doing everything that YOU can do to get ahead by making sure you have that degree, by having a diversified resume and by networking your butt off, THEY will be the ones that are successful.

So when they get the job and you don't, don't be surprised, and don't make excuses.

Instead, start building your future success RIGHT NOW. Go do some work that sets you apart. Make sure you have your degree. Make connections RIGHT NOW even if you're only a private pilot with possible aspirations to fly professionally one day.

Never forget that there are people who are successful, and there are people who make excuses.

Don't make excuses. Instead, use the tools that are available RIGHT HERE to help you get ahead.
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http://forums.jetcareers.com/threads/a-word-of-advice.157492/
 
On a side note.... college was enjoyable as well, why the rush? Enjoy the journey. There are way too many folks in this industry that sacrificed too much for too little in return.

For what it's worth, I did my Bachelor's at a Brick/Mortar accredited university. I'm finishing up my Masters now via distance learning, but with accreditation.

If you pay attention to airlineapps - it is obvious that accreditation is differentiated and preferred. My .02
 
Well, officially United and Airways have gone from the degree being required to being "preferred."

But in the context of other airline applicants that's not going to mean much for some time, if at all.
 
Seggy said:
The difference is their accreditation. A lot, if not all, of the online ones and University of Phoenix types, are bogusly accredited.

Notice there aren't any online degree mill programs on these lists...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_American_Universities

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_States_Association_of_Colleges_and_Schools

What does accreditation mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_accreditation_in_the_United_States
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This is why I said properly accredited. ERAU Worldwide is properly accredited along with the other big name schools that now have online programs. Excluding these schools doesn't make much sense.
 
TallFlyer said:
Well, officially United and Airways have gone from the degree being required to being "preferred."

But in the context of other airline applicants that's not going to mean much for some time, if at all.
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We've got quite a few folks at my regional without any degrees beyond high school, and it's always the same mantra - "They'll eventually get rid of the requirement when they can't find enough folks."

Sorry but I'm trying to get in at the beginning of the wave, which would be a huge increase in Pay/QOL/Sanity. To put it in perspective, the last job fair I went to, everyone that I talked to had the degree and all the boxes checked, and there was still a 4 hour wait to talk to recruiters at United.
 
jtrain609 said:
So, TL;DR, I can understand people's frustration, it's very real and palpable. That being said, there's something to be said for going to a "real school" for a set period of years. I don't fly airliners through my computer using flight sim while I eat bon bons on my couch, and as such, I would expect an airline to want my experience to mirror that of which they want to hire me for.
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Actually from what I have found being online forces the Profs to actually be more interactive with the students. The fact that the course has more self study than being taught creates that very requirement. Every Prof gave their phone number and email as well for added communication ability. When I went to a Brick and Mortar I had profs that just could not teach with bad social skills. That just can't happen in the online environment.

Online courses aren't as easy as you may think. Your comment above really shows your ignorance on the subject.
 
voltage1256 said:
Hi all, sorry as it appears I caused confusion between some of you. I am getting my degree by going to campus everyday, not online. The Paramedic associates degree is the highest level of education for it where I live, compared to just getting a certification. I have the ability to transfer after I graduate and go to another university for my Bachelors in Emergency Management. However I'd like to begin the steps towards my flight career once I'm done with medic. Although as Jet put it for for DAL and FDX you need space shuttle time and a bachelors... is there any official count on how many Majors have dropped the degree 4/yr degree requirement?
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Trust me, qualifying for DAL and FDX don't require space shuttle-like time.

If you meet the competitive minimums, are networked appropriately and those internal contacts actually get in the office and "gun for you", you will get an interview.

"Appropriately" meanjng that everyone and their tabby has an internal recommendation.

Once you had some internals. YOU ARE NOT DONE. 100% of the people I got interviews were people where I would walk into the pilot selection office, in person, and talk about the candidate AFTER having spent an inordinate amount of time in the chief pilots office, again, talking about the candidate.

It works.

If your internal recc isn't doing that, you're nothing more than one of 15,000-plus applications on file many with internals.

It's not all that difficult.

I had a factory-fresh type rating in a beech 1900 and hadn't even started IOE when I stated the interview process.

How?

I had a lead line check airman in Plato's office saying "I want to fly with this kid. Give him a shot"

Find someone at the airline you want to work for that is willing to plead your case in person and you will get a phone call.
 
Maurus said:
Actually from what I have found being online forces the Profs to actually be more interactive with the students. The fact that the course has more self study than being taught creates that very requirement. Every Prof gave their phone number and email as well for added communication ability. When I went to a Brick and Mortar I had profs that just could not teach with bad social skills. That just can't happen in the online environment.

Online courses aren't as easy as you may think. Your comment above really shows your ignorance on the subject.
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You may consider re-reading my post if you think it was about how hard or easy online courses are. In fact, I took an entire paragraph to explain how the actual book learning part of the university experience is only a PART of the experience.
 
Seggy said:
I'll make this simple, get the Bachelors degree. Even the majors/legacies who don't have it as an official requirement are ONLY hiring people with the degree.
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Did you just make that up for the kids? It sounds good but I know 2 people recently hired at a major without a degree.
 
turbomax97 said:
We've got quite a few folks at my regional without any degrees beyond high school, and it's always the same mantra - "They'll eventually get rid of the requirement when they can't find enough folks."
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If only that were true.

Sorry but I'm trying to get in at the beginning of the wave, which would be a huge increase in Pay/QOL/Sanity. To put it in perspective, the last job fair I went to, everyone that I talked to had the degree and all the boxes checked, and there was still a 4 hour wait to talk to recruiters at United.
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Not disagreeing with you, but bottom of the list at a major is probably way better than anywhere on the list at a regional. Is still not an excuse for laziness though.
 
Being furlough fodder and commuting to the NE to sit in a crashpad vs 20 days off for May with the kids is an easy decision for me ymmv.
 
Seggy said:
What majors?

Also, we have to give those on here the best advice. Getting your four year degree from an accredited university is the best advice one can give.
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JetBlue and US Airways, they both were the minority for sure. One of the two is a good friend of mine who tried the whole, "I'll just finish college later strategy". He worked on it off and on over the years and was about 3/4 done when he gave up after finding out that some of his older credits actually expired. I agree with you that getting a degree is the best advice and honestly a bachelors degree is the new high school diploma . You really need a masters to stand out these days but that's probably overkill for a flying job.
 
Jet said:
JetBlue and US Airways, they both were the minority for sure. One of the two is a good friend of mine who tried the whole, "I'll just finish college later strategy". He worked on it off and on over the years and was about 3/4 done when he gave up after finding out that some of his older credits actually expired. I agree with you that getting a degree is the best advice and honestly a bachelors degree is the new high school diploma . You really need a masters to stand out these days but that's probably overkill for a flying job.
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Notice in post two I never mentioned JetBlue and once the merger with 'Merican is done, a degree will be required.
 
jtrain609 said:
You may consider re-reading my post if you think it was about how hard or easy online courses are. In fact, I took an entire paragraph to explain how the actual book learning part of the university experience is only a PART of the experience.
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I read a it a few times before replying. It just seemed like you went from understanding to saying it isn't good. May just be a misinterpretation.

Obviously it is different. There are pros and cons to everything. Personally while I was in college I was less likely to study on my own when I had someone up front teaching in a class setting.
 
Seggy said:
Notice in post two I never mentioned JetBlue and once the merger with 'Merican is done, a degree will be required.
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I didn't want to get technical and was going to let this go since I always recommend getting a degree but since you went there, here we go. Notice I quoted your post 21 not post 2.

Seggy said:
Even the majors/legacies who don't have it as an official requirement are ONLY hiring people with the degree.
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According to your list in post 2 these are companies that do require a degree which is why you didn't list JetBlue.

But since you want to talk about post #2 we can go there. I'm not even discussing who is or isn't getting hired with or without a degree, just simply the fact that you stated a 4 year degree is required when it isn't.

Seggy said:
For the UPS, FEDEX, Delta, American/USAirways, Alaska, Hawaiian, United, Southwest, type of place a four year degree is required.
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Southwest: Education: graduation from accredited, four-year college preferred. (not required)

Source: http://www.southwest.com/html/about-southwest/careers/positions/pilots.html

Seggy said:
For the UPS, FEDEX, Delta, American/USAirways, Alaska, Hawaiian, United, Southwest, type of place a four year degree is required.
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United: Bachelor’s degree from accredited school is preferred. (not required)

Source: http://www.airlineapps.com/Intro/United/

Seggy said:
For the UPS, FEDEX, Delta, American/USAirways, Alaska, Hawaiian, United, Southwest, type of place a four year degree is required.
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US Airways: Application window is currently closed but during last window. Bachelor’s degree is preferred. (not required) I have seen no evidence of a bachelors degree being required after the merger is complete.

Seggy said:
For the UPS, FEDEX, Delta, American/USAirways, Alaska, Hawaiian, United, Southwest, type of place a four year degree is required.
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Hawaiian: Two-year degree/college graduate. (4 year degree not required)

Source: https://rn11.ultipro.com/HAW1000/JobBoard/ListJobs.aspx (App window is currently closed)

Delta, FedEx and UPS do require 4 year degrees.
 
Imagine how much further ahead ya'll would be if you put your time into getting a degree instead of arguing about how you don't need one on the internet.
 
Jet, those may be published, but foolish to not get one based on that. Pilots need to set themselves apart and be well rounded. A degree shows that one is well rounded among other things.
 
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