"DON'T YOUS GOT INSURANCE!?!?!"

[TwoTwoLeft]

It's for this reason I actually dread checkout flights more than I do flying with brand new students.

"So after I prang this thing on and nearly break the airplane twice in .3 I'm going to take my 3 kids up for an hour and fly around, sound good?"

Yeaaaahh... No.

The "flat landers" were the worst because they think they are doing a good job and safely landing the airplane. "Awww come on! It was a perfect 3 pointer!" Sorry, but 3 pointers only count in taildraggers... It's not their fault, they were just taught wrong, or not recognizing when to use a short field technique. They probably had 6000+ ft of runway to work with and a CFI that was scared to fly below 70kts. With having a smaller pattern and 2700 ft of runway, the flight school was pretty adamant on "positive control" for landings. This meant: touching down mains first, on the first 1/3 of the runway, maintain center line with your feet, hold aft stick/yoke, nose wheel touches when you let it. If you couldn't do that, you couldn't rent. Some checkouts would get all huffy about it, and I would calmly remind them that my students do it all the time.

On a side note... I always found it interesting that if you watch the landings during a busy day in the pattern the solo students are consistently making the best landings and the occasional transient pilots' landings typically look like a bunch of mistakes that just happen to come together in the end.

 

[msmspilot]

[quote="TwoTwoLeft, post: 2079513, member: 19895"On a side note... I always found it interesting that if you watch the landings during a busy day in the pattern the solo students are consistently making the best landings and the occasional transient pilots' landings typically look like a bunch of mistakes that just happen to come together in the end.[/quote]

Which is the argument for required, recurrent training. I know we have the flight review, but really, if the 121 and 135 guys who are doing it every day need 6 month recurrent training/checking...

I say it a bit tongue-in-cheek, because one of the things I truly love about Part 91 flying is the freedom to make your own decisions, there's still the real world out there of people who haven't seen an instructor in 23 months, and that visit was with their buddy who they flew to the airport with a restaurant 30 minutes away, did "ground school" over lunch, and flew 30 minutes home. Then they don't fly for 6 months. I'm not advocating for more regulations, just people to be more responsible.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

[quote="TwoTwoLeft, post: 2079513, member: 19895"On a side note... I always found it interesting that if you watch the landings during a busy day in the pattern the solo students are consistently making the best landings and the occasional transient pilots' landings typically look like a bunch of mistakes that just happen to come together in the end.

Which is the argument for required, recurrent training. I know we have the flight review, but really, if the 121 and 135 guys who are doing it every day need 6 month recurrent training/checking...

I say it a bit tongue-in-cheek, because one of the things I truly love about Part 91 flying is the freedom to make your own decisions, there's still the real world out there of people who haven't seen an instructor in 23 months, and that visit was with their buddy who they flew to the airport with a restaurant 30 minutes away, did "ground school" over lunch, and flew 30 minutes home. Then they don't fly for 6 months. I'm not advocating for more regulations, just people to be more responsible.

Recency of experience is HUGE. If I didn't fly all day, every day, I'd certainly want recurrent training more frequently than 24 months. (Even as it stands now, I know that recurrent is important since we don't get to do/won't have to (hopefully...) do that which we practice in the simulator.)

I wouldn't mind seeing the FAA do the regulating. As it stands now, the insurers are doing the regulating, and nobody voted for them.

Edit: Fixed dangling quote tag.

 

[JFlighttt]

Yeah, we do have insurance; but not for people like you.

 

[A150K]

Recency of experience is HUGE. If I didn't fly all day, every day, I'd certainly want recurrent training more frequently than 24 months. (Even as it stands now, I know that recurrent is important since we don't get to do/won't have to (hopefully...) do that which we practice in the simulator.)

I wouldn't mind seeing the FAA do the regulating. As it stands now, the insurers are doing the regulating, and nobody voted for them.

Edit: Fixed dangling quote tag.

In the meantime, some instructors really need to make flight reviews more meaningful. For most of the GA population, 1 hour of ground and 1 hour of flight to the T is not enough to truley review those things that have been out of practice for 2 years-I especially see a great disparity in emergency procedures (alot of that has to do with the fact that their primary training probably covered nothing more than engine failures).

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Yeah, we do have insurance; but not for people like you.

No, the reason you have insurance is because of people like him, but it's not to insure him.

In the meantime, some instructors really need to make flight reviews more meaningful. For most of the GA population, 1 hour of ground and 1 hour of flight to the T is not enough to truley review those things that have been out of practice for 2 years-I especially see a great disparity in emergency procedures (alot of that has to do with the fact that their primary training probably covered nothing more than engine failures).

We did electrical failures, flight control failures (flaps), but I was only checked on engine failures during private pilot training.

 

[A150K]

No, the reason you have insurance is because of people like him, but it's not to insure him.

We did electrical failures, flight control failures (flaps), but I was only checked on engine failures during private pilot training.

I cover all that plus other engine problems such as fires, partial power loss, and broken throttle cables with my primary students.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

I cover all that plus other engine problems such as fires, partial power loss, and broken throttle cables with my primary students.

I think the scenario was electrical fire -> no electrical -> fire still not out -> forced landing. An altogether believable scenario.