Pilatus PC-24 twin jet, who's first in line????

chrisreedrules said:
On another note... What about a STOVL biz jet? Wonder when we will see one of those?
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I fly to mostly STOL airstrip I see no reason why somebody would want to go there with a biz jet....I dunno maybe if you have your own private island with very limited space...
 
X-Forces said:
Great, because Air Canada in the northeast isn't bad enough!! :D

ATC - "Air Canada....Say your planned mach when you level?"

Air Canada - "Well, we are filed at .66, but we can give you .68........"

ATC - <sigh>
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Be nice, not everyone has a Vb/Mb speed of .75 like we do. :)
 
Gonzo said:
Be nice, not everyone has a Vb/Mb speed of .75 like we do. :)
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.75?!?! Gezzz.....Not even on my slowest day.

If you are going to to fly 220kts indicated, fly a freakin' Q-400, stay 8-10,000' lower, and you'll actually save some gas and get there not too much later anyway. If you are going to fly a jet, FLY A JET!
 
I_Money said:
From what I hear - it is basically a phantom 300 with a big cargo door
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X-Forces said:
.75?!?! Gezzz.....Not even on my slowest day.

If you are going to to fly 220kts indicated, fly a freakin' Q-400, stay 8-10,000' lower, and you'll actually save some gas and get there not too much later anyway. If you are going to fly a jet, FLY A JET!
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Some suckers try to plan us at .76 on the tracks sometime to "save gas" which it actually doesn't in a 767, on a popular track at a optimum altitude. Then since the captain wouldn't hear of asking for .80-plus, we get left low and piss out an assload of fuel.

Some dispatchers think we're the only airplane in the sky! :)
 
jwp_145 said:
A friend of mine is an engineer for Honda in North Carolina... it's a very real program and will be a game changer.
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It may be a contender, but a game changer? Not likely. It's a 20 year old design fresh out of the gate. One thing Cessna has right is bringing an airplane to market. Conception to production is measured in 2-3 year range. I like the phenom 300 but they utterly dropped the ball in the last 10% of certification. Let Embraer design it, Cessna certify it and you would have the game changer.

The Honda jet will be lucky to surpass the phenom 100 in quality/reliability/make book numbers.

Honda is not Embraer, Cessna, Raytheon, or any other established aerospace company.

Remember, the E-collapse 500 was a game changer too. Cessna and Embraer bitch slapped them out of existence, and this after they committed engineering/production suicide.
 
cezzna said:
Remember, the E-collapse 500 was a game changer too. Cessna and Embraer bitch slapped them out of existence, and this after they committed engineering/production suicide.
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Mark my words, the Eclipse 500/550 line will be more successful long term than the Honda Jet. The 550 really corrects many of the problems with the jet. Had the company not tried to play airframe and avionics manufacture, but rather thrown a G1000 derived system in, I believe there would be many, many more Eclipse 500s running around.
 
swisspilot said:
It`s the Grob SPN, and that`s what Pilatus will build.

I have subscription to a Swiss aviation magazine, and about a year ago they announced they were taking over that project.
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That is not correct, Socata bought the rights to the SPn, and is trying to decide if they should build it or not. Pilatus has had a jet in the works since before the SPn came to light.
 
Jimmy_Norton said:
That is not correct, Socata bought the rights to the SPn, and is trying to decide if they should build it or not. Pilatus has had a jet in the works since before the SPn came to light.
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I believe they have been working on a Jet before Grob, but in 2011 I was at Pilatus (my Dad`s company sold military trainers for them), they had a whole team in Germany to study the project...then yes maybe after that nothing happened, I haven`t really followed that much either....well haven`t been back home since (my home town is not far from the factory). When I was there in 2009 I went into the "secret" hangar but there was no sign of a jet project. The only person I`m in touch this days is on the Porter side of things.

I think they could have come out with a Jet years ago, but Switzerland has some very strict policies after the last attempt of a company at building a jet (what is now known as Learjet)...

I think Pilatus could (and as you confirm will) build it them-self, they have not big history of composite airplanes, like Grob, but they have built F1 bodies for some years now...if it will be composite.

I think Pilatus is run in a different way from other companies that came up with entry level jets, even if they have their NERDS most of the working force is made of top notch business people..not a group of engineers working on their dream plane like it was for the Adam and so on..
 
cezzna said:
It may be a contender, but a game changer? Not likely. It's a 20 year old design fresh out of the gate. One thing Cessna has right is bringing an airplane to market. Conception to production is measured in 2-3 year range. I like the phenom 300 but they utterly dropped the ball in the last 10% of certification. Let Embraer design it, Cessna certify it and you would have the game changer.

The Honda jet will be lucky to surpass the phenom 100 in quality/reliability/make book numbers.

Honda is not Embraer, Cessna, Raytheon, or any other established aerospace company.

Remember, the E-collapse 500 was a game changer too. Cessna and Embraer bitch slapped them out of existence, and this after they committed engineering/production suicide.
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Japanese made airplanes when Brazilians were trying to make Reel Mowers fly.
 
jafra98 said:
There's a story that the first airplane was flown in Brazil and it wasn't by the Wright's.........
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It`s a true story, he was the first to fly by keeping up with the FAI guidelines. If we consider the first fly as the one that followed the standards set by the FAI, then yes he was the first...he also did that in France, not in Brazil.
 
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