jrh
Well-Known Member
Just curious, what is his motivation for flying a twin? Is he wanting the redundancy of a second engine, the load hauling capabilities, larger cabin, the overall coolness factor, or what?
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Just curious, what is his motivation for flying a twin? Is he wanting the redundancy of a second engine, the load hauling capabilities, larger cabin, the overall coolness factor, or what?
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
Redundancy... I already brought up the prospect of a Meridian or something bit he just want having it.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Just a note, and this is my personal opinion having spent a year flying Chieftain's; but if this guy is, in the end, more willing to trust a pair of TIO-540's over one PT-6, then he doesn't have any time sitting between a pair of TIO-540's. I spent most of my time in that thing wondering what was going to go wrong next.
jrh
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I dunno...I've got 4000+ hours of time in piston powered machines, about 750 of which were in piston twins, and never had so much as a hiccup.
Yet I personally know four pilots who have had turbine engines quit on them.
What's this mean? I don't trust any engine. Therefore two are better than one. Or if there's only one, give me a parachute, either strapped to me or the airplane, I don't care which. And if there's no parachute, give me daylight and good visibility. And if you can't give me daylight, I'll probably still fly it, but at least give me a decent paycheck. Or a cute girl next to me.
TwoTwoLeft
o- - - - - - -l
If the guys got money up the wazoo, why not look into a TBM?
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Money is always an issue. The problem is that guys that start big tend to not understand what they are getting themselves into with airplanes. Airplanes are almost always more expensive than expected. Especially when buying used.
The guy should start with a Cessna 421 at the most. A 340 may be best if he doesn't plan on taking too many people with him.
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moxiepilot
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I know this has been pointed out, but please be careful if you end up doing this. While you may not think this is your first rodeo, I don't think you were the PIC in the King Air 200, CJ1 or Lear 31, correct? In this case with a newly minted multi private you essentially will be. Cheyennes, King Airs and all the other planes mentioned have a lot of kick when things go bad and are a handful of plane.
I'm sure glad you think you know what you're doing, please get the training.
elmetal
Ain't nobody got time for that
Lol right... Which is why so many people regret buying jets when turboprops would have sufficed.
OP, ask the owner if he can afford the price of the aircraft AND 10-20% of its value EVERY YEAR regardless of whether or not he uses it even once. If he can't afford that, he can't comfortably afford it at all.
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chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
All points taken... And I wouldn't fly for the guy if he didn't want to send me to training. I am going to talk to him this week and really sit him down to see what his real motivation behind wanting a Cheyenne is as opposed to a piston twin with a hefty payload. Or even a Turbine Single. He has been opposed to these before but I think I will lay out the pros and cons of each and see if I can get a better understanding of why he wants a twin turbine aircraft.
moxiepilot
Well-Known Member
chrisreedrules I know you mentioned it that he is sending you to training and is getting it himself. I think it's great you're going to have an open dialogue about his other options and hope that he sees the value in your brining up those points. I wish you the best in making this step towards making lots of money flying fun planes ;P
Let us know how it goes.
Let us know how it goes.
rocketman5150
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You're going to "sit him down?" I'm sorry, who's buying the airplane? Who's money is it?
Your role is to help him understand what is needed to own and operate a Cheyenne, and perhaps handle the transaction. It is not to talk him out of if, and certainly not to make him justify it. And why do you care what kind of airplane he buys anyway? If he wants to buy a Cheyenne, offer to help him buy a Cheyenne.
If he asks your advice, by all means offer it, but he can make his own decision.
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
Well since you know so much about the individual and about my particular situation why don't you give me some more helpful advice
rocketman5150
Well-Known Member
I know what I need to know. It's his money and his decision. The choice in front of you is whether or not to participate.
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
My job is to try and keep my students safe... If he goes out and Vmc's his Cheyenne the FAA is going to come back to me and the DPE and say, "Why did you sign this guy off"? I'm not prying into his personal business, just interested in his motivation to fly something that I am questioning his need to fly. If I can help guide him to make a better, more appropriate decision then I will take this opportunity to do so. Believe me, I'd rather be logging TPIC time rather than more Piston ME PIC, but I'm also interested in seeing my students make safe, pertinent choices that may affect their lives and mine.
z987k
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No they're not. You signed him off for his multi in a pa44 likely, and something akin to a 182 for the HP endorsement. It's a licence to learn, but comes with sufficient privileges to kill yourself. You didn't sign him off for a multi ride in a Cheyenne. I did my multi in a pa44, if I bend some metal tomorrow, I promise the FAA isn't going to try to hang my MEL instructor.
chrisreedrules
Master Blaster
If a student you sign off on a rating is exercising the privileges of said rating and kills themselves in the process, the FAA will almost always look into the pilot's training history. I've asked my POI about that very scenario and he told me thats what they do.