Did spins!
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moxiepilot
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fun stuff, eh?
ahsmatt7
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Lets not get too carried away....ehh
ahsmatt7
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Spins, nah but the class is pretty cool.
CFI A&P
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Be a two year CFI and you can. I don't spin daily, but easily a few times every week.
Ajax
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I hit the two year mark next month, however since many people nowadays are doing the CFII as the initial and the spin endorsement isn't necessary for it, a wet ticket CFI could (not saying it's a good idea) give the endorsement for a CFI add-on
We don't do spin training here though.
z987k
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Inverted spins with some outside loops, hammerheads and immelmans.
flyinguitar
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CFI candidate, eh? I've got a question for you - which direction does the ball deflect during a spin?
Ajax
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CFI candidate, eh? I've got a question for you - which direction does the ball deflect during a spin?
Never focused on the ball in a spin, but wouldn't the ball's movement largely be irrelevant as its position in the aircraft could affect its defection? You could get left, right, or even center, right?
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CFI candidate, eh? I've got a question for you - which direction does the ball deflect during a spin?
Will I fail my practical if I answer that question by saying "I've never looked at the panel while spinning, and I'm not about to start." ..?
PeanuckleCRJ
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I hit the two year mark next month, however since many people nowadays are doing the CFII as the initial and the spin endorsement isn't necessary for it, a wet ticket CFI could (not saying it's a good idea) give the endorsement for a CFI add-on
We don't do spin training here though.
All my students got to see a spin. Why? Because it may save their life. It wasn't part of the syllabus but everyone needs to be able to identify and recover without panic.
Definitely accidentally got into an inverted one once in a 172.
Dang thing wouldn't spin. Well.. i had a grown man grab my leg that day. Worth it.
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Love spinning. And this thread has reminded me that its been too long.
CFI A&P
Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
I hit the two year mark next month, however since many people nowadays are doing the CFII as the initial and the spin endorsement isn't necessary for it, a wet ticket CFI could (not saying it's a good idea) give the endorsement for a CFI add-on
We don't do spin training here though.
Uh, 61.183(I) doesn't discriminate on what kind of CFI, all CFIs must receive....
Ajax
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We don't specifically do spins for the purpose of the endorsement. If my student's stall recovery is poor, then I'll typically let it go a little bit so they can see it. I don't do that to early students though, no need to scare them too early.All my students got to see a spin. Why? Because it may save their life. It wasn't part of the syllabus but everyone needs to be able to identify and recover without panic.
Definitely accidentally got into an inverted one once in a 172.
The CFII has no airplane rating, it is just flight instructor instrument. An instructor with a CFII only can not instruct instrument in an airplane until adding that class rating to their certificate. Because the certificate holds no airplane rating a spin endorsement is not required for the CFII. That said, the 2 year CFI eligibility requirements don't apply to CFI add-on ratings, so a wet ticket CFI could perform the endorsement(still, not saying it's a good idea).
flyinguitar
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Never focused on the ball in a spin, but wouldn't the ball's movement largely be irrelevant as its position in the aircraft could affect its defection? You could get left, right, or even center, right?
If a pilot finds him/herself in an unintentional spin, it is possible that he/she wouldn't know which direction the airplane is spinning due to spatial disorientation. This seems odd to those of us who have only spun intentionally and have maintained our orientation throughout the maneuver. However, it has happened. Therefore, it is important to include instrument indications when teaching spin recovery.
As Ajax pointed out, the ball is unreliable and should be ignored during a spin. Since the airplane is rotating around its vertical axis, centrifugal force will cause the ball to deflect away from the axis of rotation. This would be to the left for an inclinometer mounted on the left side of the cockpit (like most of our standard training aircraft), and to the right for one mounted on the right side. The deflection will be to the same side regardless of direction of spin.
I bring this up because I have witnessed students being taught "step on the ball" as how to identify the correct rudder input for spin recovery. Since the ball deflects to the left (in most aircraft) regardless of spin direction, stepping on the ball will only be a recovery input for a spin to the right. For a spin to the left, it will be a pro-spin input.
I was at a flight school where this issue developed into a big argument. To settle the issue, another CFI and I went up in a DA20 and looked at the inclinometer during spins to the left and the right. Sure enough, the ball deflected left in both directions of spin.
So where should you look if you find yourself disoriented and unsure which rudder pedal to stomp on? The turn coordinator. It will correctly indicate the direction of rotation, and recovery will be with the opposite rudder pedal.