Meigs - 10 years later

You've made it very clear in the contract tower thread

No, just saying everyone should pay their fair share.


So, one person makes it ok to hate a whole organization. Guess I can hate ALPA because of Babbitt then and its ok, right?

You sure can. But also take a look at some of the advertising that used to be in the AOPA Flight Training Magazine for flight schools and why one should go to Comair Aviation Academy because being owned by Delta is everything!
 
You sure can. But also take a look at some of the advertising that used to be in the AOPA Flight Training Magazine for flight schools and why one should go to Comair Aviation Academy because being owned by Delta is everything!
Scroll to the top of this website. Are you saying that we should stop coming here because of advertisements?
 
You sure can. But also take a look at some of the advertising that used to be in the AOPA Flight Training Magazine for flight schools and why one should go to Comair Aviation Academy because being owned by Delta is everything!

And look back in the history of the country. At one point, people couldn't use the same water fountain, depending on the color of their skin, but that isn't true today. How long has it been since it was Comair Aviation Academy? The past is the past, if you can't move on, well, learn to.
 
And look back in the history of the country. At one point, people couldn't use the same water fountain, depending on the color of their skin, but that isn't true today. How long has it been since it was Comair Aviation Academy? The past is the past, if you can't move on, well, learn to.

This was only a few years ago that Comair Aviation Academy was alive and kicking. As a matter of fact they actually went after Derg for his job. Did you know that?
 
This was only a few years ago that Comair Aviation Academy was alive and kicking. As a matter of fact they actually went after Derg for his job. Did you know that?

Hmm, I went to Daytona in 2008, and back then it was called Delta Connection. How long ago was it actually branded as Comair? And since when are you Derg's tough guy, I'm quite sure he can take care of himself.
 
No, just saying everyone should pay their fair share.




You sure can. But also take a look at some of the advertising that used to be in the AOPA Flight Training Magazine for flight schools and why one should go to Comair Aviation Academy because being owned by Delta is everything!
Seggy, I think the post in the tower thread may have had a point. Are you alright? You seem to be losing your edge a bit.
 
Seggy, I think the post in the tower thread may have had a point. Are you alright?

Same here.

I don't expect to see eye to eye with everyone here, but your style of bashing anyone who disagrees with you is getting very old very fast.

If you actually want to change anyone's mind on the issues you care about, then you need to find a better way of communicating.
 
Seggy said:
The AOPA did a great job here protecting the little folks in GA here didn't they?

With that said, it is disgusting what Daley did here.

I see how well ALPA has done for pilots lately, right? And I know you will say they have but all I see us rules and pay continue to go down.
 
amorris311 said:
He's been saying user fees for as long as I can remember. The sequestration argument just fueled his fire. Contrary to popular belief he and I have argued a lot in our time.

Didn't you use to shave his back?
 
It's weird to see it sit there with nothing going on. Just a bike path and some grass. Hopefully Friends of Meigs can find enough private donors with deep enough pockets to turn it into an airport once again.

Why would a potential donor be inclined to donate money to this thing knowing full well that it has no support from the city? I could see re-building it into an investment opportunity, but again, there's an additional substantial risk associated with that in not having the city support. Understand, I'm all for seeing Meigs re-built. I would stop there in a heartbeat on the way to Oshkosh. It just needs to make sense, and right now, it looks scary. I wouldn't even put it past the city to tell the Feds, AOPA, and every GA pilot that they're going to re-build Meigs only to renege on the deal and keep the money. They're untouchable. History has demonstrated this. Had Blagojevich kept his mouth shut, and his ego in check, he'd be walking free right now. He went outside of "the code" and burned himself.

It is my belief, based on several threads in this forum, that the members who represent ALPA are 100% opposed to General Aviation. Anything that takes away from airline revenue generation is a threat to airline pilot jobs; at least that is the mantra they want you to believe. I thought the threads exemplified this, until I looked up who Roger Cohen is. No idea who he was until today. To me, it would make sense to partner with Mr. Cohen to collectively become more powerful, to create a larger voice for pilots and the jobs of pilots. Clearly, there are those who see Mr. Cohen as a threat, and as some sort of treasonous traitor. I'm not talking about the politics involved, or who believes what, or why, or any of that. I'm talking only from the relationship building potential, and the networking opportunities.
 
This was only a few years ago that Comair Aviation Academy was alive and kicking. As a matter of fact they actually went after Derg for his job. Did you know that?

You bet your ass they did!

I will never forget that.

But they ran ads everywhere.
 
Why would a potential donor be inclined to donate money to this thing knowing full well that it has no support from the city? I could see re-building it into an investment opportunity, but again, there's an additional substantial risk associated with that in not having the city support. Understand, I'm all for seeing Meigs re-built. I would stop there in a heartbeat on the way to Oshkosh. It just needs to make sense, and right now, it looks scary. I wouldn't even put it past the city to tell the Feds, AOPA, and every GA pilot that they're going to re-build Meigs only to renege on the deal and keep the money. They're untouchable. History has demonstrated this. Had Blagojevich kept his mouth shut, and his ego in check, he'd be walking free right now. He went outside of "the code" and burned himself.

It is my belief, based on several threads in this forum, that the members who represent ALPA are 100% opposed to General Aviation. Anything that takes away from airline revenue generation is a threat to airline pilot jobs; at least that is the mantra they want you to believe. I thought the threads exemplified this, until I looked up who Roger Cohen is. No idea who he was until today. To me, it would make sense to partner with Mr. Cohen to collectively become more powerful, to create a larger voice for pilots and the jobs of pilots. Clearly, there are those who see Mr. Cohen as a threat, and as some sort of treasonous traitor. I'm not talking about the politics involved, or who believes what, or why, or any of that. I'm talking only from the relationship building potential, and the networking opportunities.
A few things.

A financially-healthy airline industry is in the interest of every airline pilot, period. For that health the business depends on the national airspace system. Airlines create jobs, blah blah blah.

I'm an airline pilot, and I still fly general aviation too. I'm also an AOPA member (Don't taze me, bro) and won't be giving that up anytime soon. I do not see the goals of AOPA and the airlines as necessarily being exclusive either. General aviation creates jobs too—blah blah. And like the airlines, GA depends on the national airspace system.

Being upset about a Washington lobbyist moving from job to job on K Street (let's face it, that's what Cohen was for AOPA and that IS what RAA is) does not make sense to me. Furthermore, it's practically useless. While I don't think he's a particularly great spokesman for 'the industry' (watch Frontline: Flying Cheap and repeat to yourself "there is no fatigue problem" until you believe it), he's not representing my interests at all in his role at RAA, and consequently I am not surprised. Part of professional Washington politics (maybe, just politics) is that you assume the position of those who are paying the bills.

We don't own the skies. The American public owns the skies, and the American public pays, through taxation, for the operations of the National Airspace System (through both income and fuel taxes). I'm okay with this as long as the public has access to the skies through a method of their choice—either through purchasing an airline ticket, or by owning and operating their own airplane, or chartering.

The way I see user fees is that they will disproportionately burden the avgas burners for the benefit of the jet fuel burners, and that's not a situation I find acceptable. Go out and raise my fuel taxes again and let me get on with the aviating.
 
I agree. AOPA cares about GA - well those lucky enough to have a 400k brand new 182 or mirage. They are out of touch with the entry level GA guys/gals.
I don't know; their folks were pretty helpful with a few old airplanes too. All you have to do is pick up and dial.
 
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