Logging time in Citation Bravo

terdferg23

terdferg23

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I have been flying single engine 91 for a while. I have established a pretty good relationship with most of they people I work for. One of them is about to jump from a Sr-22 to a citation Bravo. They have a pilot in mind that meets all requirements for single pic in the Bravo. This other pilot will is going to get training and recently I learned the owner wants to cover the cost for me to go as we'll. I have around 850 hours at this point. The other pilot has around 5000 hours and is a MEI. My question is after the training how can I legitimately/legally log PIC time, I don't want any of this to go to waste. Out of training and went straight to part 91 flying. Pretty out of date on the intricacies of the FARs pertaining to any of this.

Forgot to mention I have AMEL and have been through turbine transition
 
I will be getting type rated. I believe it's a CE-500 course. Thats the training he will be paying for.
 
terdferg23 said:
I will be getting type rated. I believe it's a CE-500 course. Thats the training he will be paying for.
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I gotcha, I wasn't really clear on that part. I'm not clear on the question though. If you're rated for the aircraft and acting as PIC then you can log it as such. Is this a deal where the insurance company wants two pilots for a single pilot airplane? If so and it's part 91, there's nt really a kosher way for both pilots to log time at the same time. In that case switching legs would be the only way I could think of that both pilots could split the PIC time. In the eyes of the FAA you could legitimately log PIC under those circumstances if you're appropriately rated. The insurance company probably wouldn't be happy with PIC that they didn't sign off on, however.
 
It would depend on your type rating. Either you get an SIC type and just log it thatta way (easiest), or you both get PIC type and log PIC/SIC every other leg, or however you alternate flying. Also, he could endorse your logbook for training since your have a multi rating and he will of course have a PIC type and is MEI, and it could be logged as PIC. Although have 1,000 hours of dual PIC without a type probably won't get you very far in this world.

Am I wrong about any of this people?
 
LucasM said:
Am I wrong about any of this people?
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Well this part doesn't make sense to me:

LucasM said:
Also, he could endorse your logbook for training since your have a multi rating and he will of course have a PIC type and is MEI, and it could be logged as PIC.
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Logging it as dual doesn't mean you get to log it as PIC... maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to say?

You either hold a type and can log it as PIC or you dont and you can't.
 
I guess I meant that if a typed MEI was signing it off, it could be logged as PIC/Dual. I don't know, doesn't really matter I guess
 
Understand Jordan the not understanding the question. I believe switching legs would work best. I wouldn't be covered under insurance due to my hours, but I'm guessing the FAA wouldn't care much about that. I didn't know there was an SIC rating, but I can't see how that would help in the long run....maybe total time? Since companies want total and PIC.....basically this jump from bonanza, cirrus, and baron flying to Citation is a pretty big leap for me and a little overwhelmed at the prospect. Was looking to take advantage of the best way possible to make the hours in this plane count the most. I believe switching legs is pretty smart way to go about it. I didn't want to wonder too far out if bounds on what I was putting in my log book and get questioned later.....crash and burn in an interview when they start digging into my logbook
 
Make sure the person who is paying for your training knows that they WILL be buying you a PIC type in that case :)
 
And I agree. Didn't want to get stuck with a ton of dual hours. Knowing I'm probably not covered on insurance, low time, getting typed, another pilot up front. A bit confusing on when it is I get to log some PIC time without breaking any regs.
 
If you have a full PIC type rating then any time you are sole manipulator of the controls you can log PIC (some will argue the wisdom of that, so do a search on my posts regarding Part 61 PIC time). When you are the Pilot Not Flying, log SIC time.
 
SteveC said:
). When you are the Pilot Not Flying, log SIC time.
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If applicable, obviously. Doesn't really sound like an SIC is necessary in this case.

And I kinda doubt the FAA or airlines really care about who is on the insurance or not. Just don't break anything ;)
This is an awesome opportunity at 800 hours!
 
I won't treat it like I did the Cherokee during the training days, for sure :). I can't say enough about never stop networking and being friendly with those you fly around. 100% agree on how much of an opportunity this is. Thanks for all the input everyone!
 
JordanD said:
If applicable, obviously. Doesn't really sound like an SIC is necessary in this case.

And I kinda doubt the FAA or airlines really care about who is on the insurance or not. Just don't break anything ;)
This is an awesome opportunity at 800 hours!
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Sorry don't have links at this time but the FAA has put out an interpretation that says a rated pilot can log SIC even if flying with a PIC with a single pilot type.
 
TrustMeI'maPilot said:
Sorry don't have links at this time but the FAA has put out an interpretation that says a rated pilot can log SIC even if flying with a PIC with a single pilot type.
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In cases where an SIC is required, yeah. Part 135 passenger ops require an SIC, unless the ops specs allow them to use an autopilot in lieu of an SIC. You could run charters in a 152 with no autopilot and just a baby seat in the back and you would legally be required to have a PIC and SIC onboard.

If it's a guy flying a CJ1 with a PIC type rating under part 91, the "SIC" would be nothing more than a passenger. Where would the need for an SIC exist in day to day ops?
 
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