Pilots who are afraid of the airplane

Qutch said:
That about sums up the problem perhaps. Why would we turn flight instruction over to CFIs who's real underlying '.....reason they are pilots is they like the speed, convenience, status, etc.' ? Convenience and Status? Is that a good psyche profile for a pilot-for-hire or CFI?

If they don't want to sign up for the stall/spin-until-you-puke joy course, maybe they can be "pilots" of some sort, but perhaps they should leave the flight instruction role to someone else. Is that a radical proposal......post Colgan?
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Open up a flight school that starts people in champs or something similar. Something without even an electrical system. Have decathlons in there somewhere along the progression. REALLY get back to the basics with nothing possible to crutch on. A student's first introduction to spins will likely be the first time the flight instructor has them do a stall on their own.
 
z987k said:
Open up a flight school that starts people in champs or something similar. Something without even an electrical system. Have decathlons in there somewhere along the progression. REALLY get back to the basics with nothing possible to crutch on. A student's first introduction to spins will likely be the first time the flight instructor has them do a stall on their own.
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Yep. I started out in sailplanes. Back to the basics. So great. Influenced everything I did after.
 
Qutch said:
Yep. I started out in sailplanes. Back to the basics. So great. Influenced everything I did after.
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Not a terrible idea. Maybe do the glider rating, then do the powered add on in something more than a champ. You could do all the acro in the glider, and for way less.

Speaking of which I've actually never been up in a glider. May be time to change that.
 
z987k said:
Not a terrible idea. Maybe do the glider rating, then do the powered add on in something more than a champ. You could do all the acro in the glider, and for way less.

Speaking of which I've actually never been up in a glider. May be time to change that.
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Next to Highway 26 near Hillsboro has an organized and safe program. It's a club. But for a thrill, fly with Gary out of Hood River airport. He takes his 2-32 over Mount Hood on oxygen.

http://www.nwskysports.com/

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(I have no commercial affiliation with either)
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People have tried that. I even know one. It falls flat on its face, every time. Insurance on tailwheels is absurd. Plus, why would I want to go fly some relic in to grass strips when the future job the world owes me is flying a 500 passenger Play Station that, hell, pretty much flies itself anyway (this is an example of how the prospective student thinks, not what I actually think, Airline Nancies, put down the pitchforks)!? Besides, I can get in to a CRJ at 750 hours if I go to a puppymill, and they even have Financing!
 
Boris Badenov said:
...500 passenger Play Station that, hell, pretty much flies itself anyway (this is an example of how the prospective student thinks, not what I actually think, Airline Nancies, put down the pitchforks)!?
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What? It pretty much does. :P
 
Qutch said:
Next to Highway 26 near Hillsboro has an organized and safe program. It's a club. But for a thrill, fly with Gary out of Hood River airport. He takes his 2-32 over Mount Hood on oxygen.

http://www.nwskysports.com/

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(I have no commercial affiliation with either)
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Holy crap, you're in pdx... didn't know that. We should grab a beer sometime.
 
Boris Badenov said:
People have tried that. I even know one. It falls flat on its face, every time. Insurance on tailwheels is absurd. Plus, why would I want to go fly some relic in to grass strips when the future job the world owes me is flying a 500 passenger Play Station that, hell, pretty much flies itself anyway (this is an example of how the prospective student thinks, not what I actually think, Airline Nancies, put down the pitchforks)!? Besides, I can get in to a CRJ at 750 hours if I go to a puppymill, and they even have Financing!
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Ya, it's really hard to find non SJS people that are looking at flight schools. How the puppymills of the world even get a single student that is not on the GI bill is proof that there are loads of morons out there. Why pay 25k for something when I can pay 60k+?
 
dasleben said:
Dude, seriously, I used to be a firebreather as a pilot. 1800 RVR, hand flown, raw data, before I even had coffee. Now it's autoland status callouts and roshambo for who gets the middle rest break. :)
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I'm not quite as meow as you, Sister Leben, but I'm working on it. Just the other day I got all fidgety and upset because it took a couple of minutes to get out of moderate icing in a turbine aircraft that could easily climb out of the serious ice. 6 short years ago I was flying in the same stuff in a single engine piston for hours on end listening to an Ipod and with nary a care in the world. I'm pretty much convinced that every pilot who hits 30 years or 3000 hours without dying should be mailed a box of pink panties. ;)
 
z987k said:
You manage to get in the background there?
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Managed to land the role of the Gate Keeper in Northern Exposure too, out of the filming location in Roslyn Washington. Didn't even have to act. They told me to just be myself.

 
TwoTwoLeft said:
Another thing CFIs don't seem to understand is that you are allowed to exceed 30 pitch and 60 bank (or within the airplane's operating limitations) when teaching unusual attitude recovery. It's right in 91.307(c)(2).

You can accomplish a lot of unusual attitude conditions in a spin approved, utility category airplane without needing a chute.


Yeah, it's kind of a joke. Come on! You're in a SIM for f's sake! USE IT!
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I may or may not know a guy who tried to see how much vertical penetration a 150 Aerobat had. He didn't go into a spin and die either.
 
z987k said:
Open up a flight school that starts people in champs or something similar. Something without even an electrical system. Have decathlons in there somewhere along the progression. REALLY get back to the basics with nothing possible to crutch on. A student's first introduction to spins will likely be the first time the flight instructor has them do a stall on their own.
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This reminds me, I saw CFIT in the Comm PTS and thought cool, just like a Cub!....Controls, Ignition, Instruments...and I turn the page to find its Controlled Flight Into Terrain.
 
Hacker15e said:
There is a big difference between having a healthy respect for the airplane and being "afraid" of it. All smart aviators have a respect for the airplane, and respect for the fact that poor decisionmaking can kill you. People who are "afraid" of the airplane are likely to be unable to fly it (or make good airmanship decisions) when something out of the ordinary happens, and are likely to get themselves or their pax killed.
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I was going to reply saying almost this very thing, but you beat me to it. Well said in all respects!

~Fox
 
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