Pilots who are afraid of the airplane

This is exactly why I stopped training at Western. The "bubble" as many call it, keeps you from experiencing real aviation. I'm not talking about doing loops in a Cirrus or anything stupid, but not allowing commercially rated instrument students to fly in actual is what I would consider an unrealistic bubble.
 
I see/saw it at UND all the time. In fact, that was the only reason I did aerial survey. I wanted to get WAY out of my comfort zone, and did many times.

As much as I hated survey flying, I learned a lot, and experienced even more.
 
There is a big difference between having a healthy respect for the airplane and being "afraid" of it.

This.



You can choose whatever word or words you like but the bottom line is that what you call a healthy respect is a fear, a fear of dying or causing damage. It is a natural emotion we are all born with to help keep us alive. Having too much is bad but having none at all is worse.

Not exactly. The thing is, fear is derived from ignorance and the unknown, while respect is derived from knowledge and experience. Fear and respect are both aware of the possible outcome. Fear, by nature, is reactive while respect is proactive. So fear can actually allow the very problem you're afraid of to occur. Respect can actually prevent the problem in it's entirety.

A good portion of my flying career and income so far was based on my ability to transform a pilot's fear of the airplane into confidence and respect.
 
I see/saw it at UND all the time. In fact, that was the only reason I did aerial survey. I wanted to get WAY out of my comfort zone, and did many times.

What parts of survey flying took you out of your comfort zone? I'm not picking on you or anything, just curious. I personally know maybe 4 survey pilots still work with 3 of them, so I know their stories.
 
I work at a large aviation university, and I have noticed this same thing with a ton of our other instructors. We have very tight rules regarding everything weather related. However, I have found that I can go to the chief pilots and get approval to fly in almost anything (as long as it's not into icing conditions). 30 degree crosswinds at 24-29 kts, last week visibility 2sm BR/HZ for most of the week, and many others I have gotten approval for. There are only one or two other instructors who even tried to get their flights approved. Most of the others just didn't even try. Getting a Special VFR clearance, getting clear to do maneuvers, then getting a pop-up IFR clearance to shoot multiple apporaches back in is really not difficult.

That being said, when I first started I was nervous about not letting my students take mistakes too far. After a few hundred hours of dual given, and slowly letting them make more and more mistakes, it really takes a lot now before I will step in. 9 times out of 10 I don't even need to fully take the controls. Most of the time I just apply the correct inputs, and the student instantly realizes their mistake. However, I do have one commercial student whose first instructor would yell at him for any simple mistake. In fact, his instructor wouldn't even let him park the airplane. Our first flight together, we were taxiing in, he stopped on the ramp and tried to give me controls. It took a little convincing, but he finally picked a spot and went. I've been working with him for about six months, and he has gotten better, but when weird things start happening, he shuts down and no matter what I do, he just hands the airplane off. It's sad to see, but I am going to get him out of this.

Remember our job is to pass our own knowledge and experience to others. If someone doesn't have that experience, it's hard to pass it on. I have done "currency flights" with other CFIs so that they could go up and get some experience in the above mentions conditions. I've also done night currency flights with CFIs who have never landed with their landing and taxi lights off. I make them do it, and BAM another drop into the experience bucket. In my view, we will all be learning something about flying until the day they pry that medical certificate from our fingers. As long as you respect the weather and the airplane, there is great experience to be gained at all levels. Just make sure you've done your homework, and have multiple options. Every time I go into to the chiefs wanting to fly in some unusual conditions, I go in armed with multiple backup plans in case things get worse. To this day, I haven't had one of my requests turned down, but that's because even though I want my students to experience everything that they possibly can, I can still recognize when it's just not a good day to fly.
 
.......Not exactly. The thing is, fear is derived from ignorance and the unknown, while respect is derived from knowledge and experience. Fear and respect are both aware of the possible outcome. Fear, by nature, is reactive while respect is proactive. So fear can actually allow the very problem you're afraid of to occur. Respect can actually prevent the problem in it's entirety....

I'm not sure about this. Jet did not explain. But I think Jet might have seen ground combat action. I've been a little "concerned" in an aircraft also (Illinois night thunderstorm w/hail). Very afraid in ocean surf zones, different kind of fear (can't always prepare for rogue waves). But I can't imagine what ground combat would be like, if that is what Jet was thinking back to. I agree with most of the CFI related advice I'm seeing here, which is the main topic I guess. But if we're talking "fear", fear comes in different packages.
 
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What parts of survey flying took you out of your comfort zone? I'm not picking on you or anything, just curious. I personally know maybe 4 survey pilots still work with 3 of them, so I know their stories.
I'd say LONG cross countries and all the things that go with it is the main thing. Flying to reserve while surveying was another. Mountain flying wasn't as big of a deal as I thought it was going to be, but it was still nice to experience. It was also the first job where I had to have a pretty good reason to not fly, so it did push ADM a lot further than UND ever did as a student and as an instructor.
 
Not exactly. The thing is, fear is derived from ignorance and the unknown, while respect is derived from knowledge and experience. Fear and respect are both aware of the possible outcome. Fear, by nature, is reactive while respect is proactive. So fear can actually allow the very problem you're afraid of to occur. Respect can actually prevent the problem in it's entirety.

A good portion of my flying career and income so far was based on my ability to transform a pilot's fear of the airplane into confidence and respect.
Fear is reserved for structural failure. :D
 
I'm not sure about this. Jet did not explain. But I think Jet might have seen ground combat action. I've been a little "concerned" in an aircraft also (Illinois thunderstorm w/hail). Very afraid in ocean surf zones, different kind of fear (can't always prepare for rogue waves). But I can't imagine what ground combat would be like, if that is what Jet was thinking back to. I agree with most of the CFI related advice I'm seeing here, which is the main topic I guess. But if we're talking "fear", fear comes in different packages.

This is true, there are different kinds of fear. You have some that is driven by the anxiety of the unknown. That, in relation to flying is what I was referring to.

There's really no way I can relate to being shot at or the constant torment of being bombed by things out of your own personal control.
 
I'd say LONG cross countries and all the things that go with it is the main thing. Flying to reserve while surveying was another. Mountain flying wasn't as big of a deal as I thought it was going to be, but it was still nice to experience. It was also the first job where I had to have a pretty good reason to not fly, so it did push ADM a lot further than UND ever did as a student and as an instructor.
Maybe sometimes doing stupid things? :)
 
What parts of survey flying took you out of your comfort zone? I'm not picking on you or anything, just curious. I personally know maybe 4 survey pilots still work with 3 of them, so I know their stories.
relocating is probably the biggest one. it's 5pm and you have to be ready to work at place XYZ tomorrow at 9AM. I don't care when you go, how you get there or where you sleep, but at 9am you better be ready to work 6-7 hours.

Go!

It can get fun that's for sure
 
relocating is probably the biggest one. it's 5pm and you have to be ready to work at place XYZ tomorrow at 9AM. I don't care when you go, how you get there or where you sleep, but at 9am you better be ready to work 6-7 hours.

Go!

It can get fun that's for sure
Wx in all target areas or en-route. Problem fixed.
 
True. I'm the douchenozzle in the group that wants to fly through the crap. I want actual and I want it now!
I was probably to. I wanted flight time now! Some of those 150+ hour months... I look back, wow. No fing way now.
 
I was probably to. I wanted flight time now! Some of those 150+ hour months... I look back, wow. No fing way now.
I'm not too hung up on the actual TT, I just have little enough actual (around 20) that any chance I can get in actual, I do it!


We are having an abysmal season as far as weather. I'm on rotation and the aircraft I'm in currently logged 58 hours for the month of december.............
 
I used to get the "OMG TOM YOU LOOOVVVVVEEE FFFFLLLLYYYYYYYYIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNGGGG!" or "God, you're such a flight hour •!" all the time. :)
 
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