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What a moron. Why did he shut the engine off, and then why did he not try to restart it?
 
z987k said:
What a moron. Why did he shut the engine off, and then why did he not try to restart it?
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In a lot of planes, if you spin long enough, the engine will stop on its own. And if you read the description on youtube, the guy didn't have an electric starter, so once it stopped, he was done.
 
Well, to me it looked like the engine was causing a few of his problems, so he's lucky it stopped. Coulda been fuel starvation easily enough, if fuel was spun away from the pickup. I doubt he shut it down on purpose, though when stuff ain't workin', you try whatever you have, so...

As for the second question, the airplane was not equipped with an electric starter, the prop was stopped, and he had insufficient altitude to dive.

Why is he a moron?

-Fox
 
[quote="msmspilot, post: 2029307, member: 9283"if you read[/quote]
That was the first mistake. Assuming the reading part...
 
I've seen this long ago on YouTube by the pilot. It went flat and fuel starvation killed the engine. It doesn't have a starter so a restart was not an option. The landing was good but an unseen barbed wire fence flipped him, he had to wait for EMS to get him out, he was pretty much unharmed.
 
Inverted said:
Would have been a NON issue if he had an hour of duel spin training. This is why it should be required training for a PPL.
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From reading into things a little, the fellow was a somewhat experienced acro pilot working on an competition sequence. I presume he'd had spin training, but he'd certainly done many spins in that particular airplane. There's an entire associated accident report which is fairly detailed.

Perhaps less "Idiot shoulda had spin training" and more "There but for the grace of god go I"?

~Fox
 
Acrofox said:
From reading into things a little, the fellow was a somewhat experienced acro pilot working on an competition sequence. I presume he'd had spin training, but he'd certainly done many spins in that particular airplane. There's an entire associated accident report which is fairly detailed.

Perhaps less "Idiot shoulda had spin training" and more "There but for the grace of god go I"?

~Fox
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Well, in that case, he is an idiot for not seeing a seemingly unrecoverable situation due to an unforeseen circumstance, and bail out. I have known at least one person who was killed doing acro with no chute, which is legal, but safe? Hmmmm....
 
Reading his response to the video and what had happened, it leads me to believe he had little to no spin training. He said it was the first time he had been in a flat spin. He strikes me as the large percentage of pilots who have spun a 172, let go of the controls and saw it recover, without having to actually work for it.
 
A rather disturbing occurance, normal spin entry and the spin went flat. Having never done any flat spin training was rather at a loss as to what to do to recover (normal spin recovery techniques don’t work in a flat spin).
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In fact that comment he made on a message board following the accident pretty much proves it.
 
Inverted said:
Reading his response to the video and what had happened, it leads me to believe he had little to no spin training. He said it was the first time he had been in a flat spin. He strikes me as the large percentage of pilots who have spun a 172, let go of the controls and saw it recover, without having to actually work for it.
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Um, how would you conduct spin training then? Spin certified airplanes tend to recover from spins easily enough, so how are you going to make pilots "work for it"?

Edit: I just saw the quadrouple-post you made, about flat spins. I'm not even sure how you would put a 172 into a flat spin which makes it a bit hard to do in a training environment.
 
thevideographer said:
Um, how would you conduct spin training then? Spin certified airplanes tend to recover from spins easily enough, so how are you going to make pilots "work for it"?
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Spin certified airplanes like a 172 never get passed an incipient spin. So in that regard your statement of "spin certified airplanes tend to recover from spins easily enough" is pretty correct. That is because people can mash inputs in wrong, wrong order, forgetting steps, and the plane will recover. Hell I have never seen a 172 continue to spin if you just let go of the controls. Do that in a Pitts, the upright spin will turn into an inverted spin.

I conduct spin training like it should be done, in an aerobatic aircraft to show that in ANY airplane, the recovery technique will work, if the airplane is in a recoverable configuration ie. spin certified, CG etc. Doing it in most training aircraft is giving pilots a false sense of security for that one time down the road when they are flying some weird airplane that doesn't behave like a trainer.
 
Inverted said:
Spin certified airplanes like a 172 never get passed an incipient spin.
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Now you're just messing with me.

Inverted said:
I conduct spin training like it should be done, in an aerobatic aircraft to show that in ANY airplane, the recovery technique will work, if the airplane is in a recoverable configuration ie. spin certified, CG etc. Doing it in most training aircraft is giving pilots a false sense of security for that one time down the road when they are flying some weird airplane that doesn't behave like a trainer.
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Are you selling Pitts or something?
 
Inverted said:
...doing acro with no chute, which is legal, but safe?...
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It's legal? News to me.

Do I not understand 91.307 correctly? I thought a parachute was required for everyone if bank exceeds 60° or nose exceeds 30°, with the exception being spin practice.
 
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