Gonzo
Well-Known Member
I know of 20-30 AF guys at Eagle and I know Colgan had a few. Not all military guys care about what they fly, most just care about QOL. I know Colgan had a few sac guys who like where they lived.
9E TA Reached
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lostplanetairman
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Yeah, OK a junior CA at Spirit is a 2001 hire still on reserve (not that there is anything wrong with that). Please stop posting about Spirit when it is obvious that you are not in the loop.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
What? I'm going by what's on APC. It has the most junior CA as Oct 2007 DOH. Before it was early 2007, and it's been slowly changing to now Oct 2007. It seems like they are updating it regularly. Are you talking about the most junior Captain in a certain base, or most junior in the entire company? If so, then APC needs to be updated. It says most junior is a DFW CA hired Oct 2007.
Can someone who works at Spirit please clarify?
Rocketman99
Frozen Guppy Manipulator
You're currently arguing with someone who works at Spirit.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Oh, my bad. APC needs to be updated. I admit my error, since my information was from APC. Oops!
lostplanetairman
Well-Known Member
Just like the $44/hour new hire pay that never existed but in your mind, you are clearly misinformed.
Sorry I can't converse; this 2001 hire reserve CA just got called in to work tomorrow with a 6 AM show.
RPM
Well-Known Member
I stay strictly to keep you from moving up one number, how's that? I have actually taken 2 LOA's, and Plans change, Life changes.. Sht happens..
Why would they furlough if they are actively trying to hire 400 people right now? That doesn't make a lot of sense. If we were not hiring then ok, maybe. It's beside the point anyway. They are implementing all the pay cuts immediately, why do we have to wait until 2014 for something that is beneficial to us?
How would you know if they are or not? It sounds like a pretty likely rumor to me that they up it to 10K (and I did say RUMOR).. they can't get any pilots to show up now with a 5K bonus. Again you ignore the point though.. They ARE giving out the 5K now.. and ALPA tricked people into believing we had no leverage for this TA, they went around telling everyone that they "had" to vote yes to this deal or else.. They said we couldn't possibly get any better. Then right after voting on the TA the company starts giving out 5G bonuses to new hires because they can't get any pilots to show up. No leverage huh? (That money they are giving out was basically just stolen directly from us and now given to new hires as an incentive) and ALPA does what for us here???
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Hey, no apologies. It kept me entertained on an 18 hour layover in CLT.
Internet too slow for, umm, you know, "those sites"?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Internet too slow for, umm, you know, "those sites"?
Hotel internet doesn't cooperate for "high bandwidth" needs.
Hotel internet doesn't cooperate for "high bandwidth" needs.
Ugh.
Must have been losing money on their own "offerings"
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Are we talking about the same company? Spirit Airlines, as in the FLL based company at www.spiritair.com ?
And if we are talking about the same company, are you considering the most junior Captain in a certain base (DTW?).
I'm wondering about the most junior company-wide Spirit Captain at this moment, what is his/her DOH?
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I think I see what you just did there. I've just talked to a friend of mine at Spirit and he confirmed that the most junior Captain at NK is 2006/7 DOH.
I wrote:
In my post, I wrote 4 airlines and that senior at half them, means 2. VX for sure, JetBlue if 2003-2005, and Spirit too, just not in DTW.
How junior is a CA at FLL? DFW? ACY? Certainly not a 2001 DOH? So APC was correct, and instead of acknowledging that, you left it at what? the DTW base? That's called spinning the facts.
Of course certain bases are more senior, in either seat.
I wrote:
and you confused me by writing:
In my post, I wrote 4 airlines and that senior at half them, means 2. VX for sure, JetBlue if 2003-2005, and Spirit too, just not in DTW.
How junior is a CA at FLL? DFW? ACY? Certainly not a 2001 DOH? So APC was correct, and instead of acknowledging that, you left it at what? the DTW base? That's called spinning the facts.
Of course certain bases are more senior, in either seat.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Sorry, but if what I've read is any indication, the new "average" if they are calling it that is much lower than the current industry average. Must be some funny math to take it from industry average ('cause it wasn't industry leading) in the JCBA to....well, "mid range" industry average with the concessions.
lostplanetairman
Well-Known Member
So how did I confuse you? I think you confused yourself because you are mixing apples and oranges. Being a senior captain (which is what you originally said would be true of half those you cited) is not the same as being the most junior captain. I don't give a rat's ass that your friend confirmed that the most junior CA is a 2007 hire. Yes, the most junior CA at NKS is a 2007 hire. Big deal. That does not mean senior; rather that means junior. In fact, it's most junior. I'm a 2001 hire and certainly a junior CA. I can't hold a line. And I am not in DTW, so again, you don't know what you are talking about. The one month I could bid a line, it was the bottom of the barrel. True, I am no longer the most junior CA, although I held that distinction twice: in 12/2007 and 6/2010. But there aren't that many below me. There are plenty of CA's ahead of me and most of them are younger than me. So, the only way I'm becoming a senior CA is through growth because most senior to me retire after I do. Now, if we continue to grow at the projected rate, I might finish the last 2 to 2 1/2 years of my career as a senior CA.
But you can continue to tell me that I'm senior if you want. I'll call the CP and tell him to get me a better line because you said I'm a senior CA and I deserve better!
The problem with the Internet is that some of us browse to assemble evidence in order to support our argument and consider that a "sourced", valid opinion.
But when someone has first-hand experience that speaks to the contrary, lots of preconceptions come tumbling down, often reluctantly.
"Delta pilots..."
Uhh... Nope.
But when someone has first-hand experience that speaks to the contrary, lots of preconceptions come tumbling down, often reluctantly.
"Delta pilots..."
Uhh... Nope.
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
Completely unrelated...I'm much happier with my bid awards when I grit my teeth and recite, "The point of PBS is to COVER THE FLYING."But you can continue to tell me that I'm senior if you want. I'll call the CP and tell him to get me a better line because you said I'm a senior CA and I deserve better!
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Wouldn't it have been easier to write than in the first place? Thanks for clarifying it up. It seems your mileage varies greatly depending on what base. The same is true at JetBlue. At VX, being hired in 2006 would have made one in the top 10 pretty much. At JetBlue, that would a junior CA, but depending on which base you are talking about, 2003-2004 guys are doing well.So how did I confuse you? I think you confused yourself because you are mixing apples and oranges. Being a senior captain (which is what you originally said would be true of half those you cited) is not the same as being the most junior captain. I don't give a rat's ass that your friend confirmed that the most junior CA is a 2007 hire. Yes, the most junior CA at NKS is a 2007 hire. Big deal. That does not mean senior; rather that means junior. In fact, it's most junior. I'm a 2001 hire and certainly a junior CA. I can't hold a line. And I am not in DTW, so again, you don't know what you are talking about. The one month I could bid a line, it was the bottom of the barrel. True, I am no longer the most junior CA, although I held that distinction twice: in 12/2007 and 6/2010. But there aren't that many below me. There are plenty of CA's ahead of me and most of them are younger than me. So, the only way I'm becoming a senior CA is through growth because most senior to me retire after I do. Now, if we continue to grow at the projected rate, I might finish the last 2 to 2 1/2 years of my career as a senior CA.
But you can continue to tell me that I'm senior if you want. I'll call the CP and tell him to get me a better line because you said I'm a senior CA and I deserve better!
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
There are not exactly a "ton" of guys hired between 2002 and 2004. In fact it was pretty bleak, you know post 9-11. I know a lot of guys that ended up at alpha flying/plane sense just because they were the only gig hiring.
I don't have access to the sen. List, but when I interviewed withJetBlue in may 08, and that was at the post side of their hiring "boom" it seems. Almost everybody in the interview was from USair-west... With a 190/ 319/21 type. ( sucks that they traded planes after that, rather than taking the orders and growing.. Who knows how it would have. Worked out?
Anyways...I heard the new vacation language was horrid.. Seems almost like "days you wish we're off" but can be assigned to work with no payout/protection? - they finally locked out my user account, so I can't browse the memos etc.