Go around MD-11 UPS N285UP in Poland (Incident)

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ILA20

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"The progress and circumstances of the incident:
During the MD 11 landing the crew gets the order to go around because of the braking-ratio-measuring vehicle standing on the runway.

The incident reasons:
Incorrect measurement of the plane's speed and distance to the runway and tower permission to line up the runway by the braking-ratio-measuring vehicle."

 
Hello,
Welcome to jetcareers. Please take the time to introduce yourself at some point.
The video does not show an "incident".

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I used to fly in there in a 727 at 4am and we'd ask approach for a high speed descent. You could do 340 or so down to about 10 miles and be stable at 500 feet (the rule is 1000 feet now). Fun stuff but I could see how it could throw everyones timing off a bit. They also used to have a non-standard takeoff (at least for us) line up and wait clearance. They would say "after the arriving aircraft line up and wait runway xx". You were supposed to wait until landing aircraft was past you and they you could line up and wait without further clearance. Don't know if they do that anymore. You'd better not miss the "after the arriving aircraft" part...

Miss the Warsaw layovers and the opulent Marriot hotel with the Champs sports bar. Made me feel right at home.
 
mikecweb said:
Hello,
Welcome to jetcareers. Please take the time to introduce yourself at some point.
The video does not show an "incident".

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The companies I've worked for would consider it an "incident". Nothing major, but it would have required a report.
 
smack300 said:
You would have to tell your company if you did a go around?
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Yeah. It's considered an irregularity or potential safety risk and they just try to keep track of those things. They'd especially want to know if you went around because there was an airport vehicle on the runway that you were cleared to land on.
 
Cal Goat said:
Yeah. It's considered an irregularity or potential safety risk and they just try to keep track of those things. They'd especially want to know if you went around because there was an airport vehicle on the runway that you were cleared to land on.
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That's interesting. I had no idea. Even if its a weather related go around?
 
Cal Goat said:
The companies I've worked for would consider it an "incident". Nothing major, but it would have required a report.
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That may but, but Mike is right. It's not an incident as everyone in aviation knows the term to mean.
 
z987k said:
That may but, but Mike is right. It's not an incident as everyone in aviation knows the term to mean.
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Not to beat a dead horse, but if an airport clears you to land on a runway where an airport vehicle is operating, how is that not an incident even in the loosest term? Maybe I'm paddling down the wrong river, but even at an uncontrolled field in BFE, an active runway is considered a sterile environment, right?
 
Well the incident would have been the runway incursion by the vehicle(which is not shown in the video at all. For all we know, someone is practicing go arounds), not the airplane.
 
ILA, I'm going to assume you're polish: Why do the Poles think the crash in Russia is some massive consipiacy by Russia against the Poles? This crash seems to be on PL news every night, from the crash itself to the mis-ID of the bodies.
 
I thought UPS had a "no questions asked" policy on go arounds? Any big brown guys want to shed some light?
 
Cal Goat said:
Not to beat a dead horse, but if an airport clears you to land on a runway where an airport vehicle is operating, how is that not an incident even in the loosest term? Maybe I'm paddling down the wrong river, but even at an uncontrolled field in BFE, an active runway is considered a sterile environment, right?
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z987k said:
Well the incident would have been the runway incursion by the vehicle(which is not shown in the video at all. For all we know, someone is practicing go arounds), not the airplane.
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Correct.

FWIW, a "no fault go-around policy" isn't worth anything as long as there's still an irregularity report associated with it. In my opinion, anyway. The first one caused by too high/too hot is a freebie. The second one...
 
UPS utilizes a “No Fault Go-Around Policy” consisting of the following ten words:
No Pride
No Pressure
No Hesitation
No Jeopardy
No Fault

A Go-around does not trigger a mandatory report. A runway incursion does.
 
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