T-45C going with adversary colors...

bunk22

bunk22

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...not all of course but for 3 plane acm, the wings are going to paint a few different jets in adversary colors. Could range from all black to your standard aggressor type cammo.
 
MikeD said:
These going to VC units?
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Nope though it has been requested but the training command can't spare them; anyway, 10 aircraft in Kingsville and 10 in Meridian. Idea is to make them more visible vice less. Right now, Meridian wants a desert striped color:

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Any available update on the status of these jets? I am very interested in seeing how they look!
 
bunk22 said:
...not all of course but for 3 plane acm, the wings are going to paint a few different jets in adversary colors. Could range from all black to your standard aggressor type cammo.
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What took TRACON so long to fix the visibility issue? Seems to me studs must have complained about this for a while now.
 
bunk22 said:
...not all of course but for 3 plane acm, the wings are going to paint a few different jets in adversary colors. Could range from all black to your standard aggressor type cammo.
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Half the challenge of ACM is being the supporting fighter and not being able to tell which aircraft is your wingman and which aircraft is the bandit.

"Mad 2, status, high-low?"
 
Hacker15e said:
Half the challenge of ACM is being the supporting fighter and not being able to tell which aircraft is your wingman and which aircraft is the bandit.

"Mad 2, status, high-low?"
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I don't do ACM but it's my understanding that it would be used for the bandit only.
 
I love the "status east/west" call........possibly as confusing as calling "left to left" or "right to right" as one guy is inverted and the other is in some other weird attitude climbing to the merge.
 
Hacker15e said:
Half the challenge of ACM is being the supporting fighter and not being able to tell which aircraft is your wingman and which aircraft is the bandit.
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Freaking similar air combat.

Dissimilar is the way to go! Bring back the 4 aggressor squadrons.
 
bunk22 said:
I don't do ACM but it's my understanding that it would be used for the bandit only.
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I know...and it would take the fun out of looking at two similar aircraft swirling around in the sky and trying to sort out which is the good guy and which is the bad guy. The stakes on that decision are obviously huge, which makes it all the more exciting and frustrating.

Shoot the bandit and you're a hero. Shoot your flightmate and, at best, you owe a keg to the bar.
 
///AMG said:
I love the "status east/west" call........possibly as confusing as calling "left to left" or "right to right" as one guy is inverted and the other is in some other weird attitude climbing to the merge.
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I've still yet to ever see a high aspect pass that wasn't "left to left" or "right to right". Whenever I'd debrief sorties where someone used that terminology, I'd get out the sticks and politely show them that anything other than that is called "formation".
 
Hacker15e said:
I've still yet to ever see a high aspect pass that wasn't "left to left" or "right to right". Whenever I'd debrief sorties where someone used that terminology, I'd get out the sticks and politely show them that anything other than that is called "formation".
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Aside from "high/low" I agree. Just confusing sometimes when you are in some weird attitude and trying to call a geo-stabilized pass. Speaking to HABFM here, though my example in hindsight read like something else. I do enjoy calling LTL when it is quite obvious that I'm defensive and not going to actually make the merge :)
 
So much simpler "back in the day" ...us "Attack Pukes" would leave it to the Fighters to clear the sky for us ...while we endeavored to put our munitions on target!
 
///AMG said:
I do enjoy calling LTL when it is quite obvious that I'm defensive and not going to actually make the merge :)
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Dunno if it's the same for you guys, but in the USAF ACM comm is a never ending debate about what to say and who says it. Each fighter has their own take on it, and even within communities there are corners that favor a particular phrase or another. Many bottles have been broken at the bar in heated debates over ACM comm (and by ACM, I mean the USAF use of the term meaning 2 blue v 1 red).

In your situation, that's when I'd say something like, "anchored defensive, left turning".
 
rondebmar said:
So much simpler "back in the day" ...us "Attack Pukes" would leave it to the Fighters to clear the sky for us ...while we endeavored to put our munitions on target!
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Unfortunately, the penny-pinchers at the Pentagon have brought an entire generation of do-all (or do-nothing) multirole fighters that can fight their way in, drop iron, and fight their way out.

You have to not only be good at precisely placing explosive on a bad person's doorstep, but you also have to be a skilled knife-fighter too.
 
Hacker15e said:
Dunno if it's the same for you guys, but in the USAF ACM comm is a never ending debate about what to say and who says it. Each fighter has their own take on it, and even within communities there are corners that favor a particular phrase or another. Many bottles have been broken at the bar in heated debates over ACM comm (and by ACM, I mean the USAF use of the term meaning 2 blue v 1 red).

In your situation, that's when I'd say something like, "anchored defensive, left turning".
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Same same. BVR comm is pretty standardized for us, basically same as yours with some minor variations. I'd say WVR stuff is a lot more "trucker" style from what I've seen/used.
 
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