JetBlue Hydraulic Failure at LAS

He was told he wasn't worthy of holding an ATP by the company or by the FAA?

If it was the company, I would have had an attorney on that with catlike quickness. Last time someone threaten my employment, it didn't turn out to well for that character.
 
Derg said:
He was told he wasn't worthy of holding an ATP by the company or by the FAA?

If it was the company, I would have had an attorney on that with catlike quickness. Last time someone threaten my employment, it didn't turn out to well for that character.
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By the chief pilot.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
By the chief pilot.
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Meh. At Brand X I had dispatch try to pressure me once or twice by saying "Hang on, let me get the D.O. on the phone." My response: "Put him on!" For some reason I never did end up talking to him. :)

The company still has operational control however, which is something that the captain can overrule if deemed necessary for safety of flight. Otherwise, if the company wants the jet back in LAS instead of JFK (and it's safe and legal for the crew to do so), take it back to LAS.
 
Derg said:
Really. Man, that's messed up. Really really messed up.
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Yup. I think it was "sorted out." But you shouldn't have to worry about stuff like that when making decisions during an emergency. At least not unless you're doing something like "well, the nose gear wouldn't come down so we rolled inverted an did a split s to try to shake it loose."
 
scooter2525 said:
It would be nice to have admin back up a pilots decision.
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Especially when it doesn't really have much of a consequence. So you diverted to an airport nearby that has a longer runway. Big deal.

So we let the autopilot fly past the airport at a very safe speed and altitude to have one more person check out our situation. There really aren't any downsides to that. If we aren't supposed to do that because "you aren't test pilots." How in the world do we get away with doing CAT II approaches?
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Especially when it doesn't really have much of a consequence. So you diverted to an airport nearby that has a longer runway. Big deal.
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That is doofus. As FO in a glassed-up tricked-out DC-"Niña NINE" variant, I had a super duper high speed RTO over what turned out to be "nothing" in retrospect, blew tires, fodded an engine and didn't hear a thing about it afterwards.

Chugged an engine in Chicago during the first stage climb, ran the procedure, finished my Egg McMuffin on downwind and landed. Didn't hear a thing about it besides "Go to the hotel, we'll deadhead you home tomorrow, good job".

Two things make me want to pull the rest of my hair out. Pilots acting like children and the companies that treat them like children.
 
Seggy said:
First, I am going to say I wasn't there AND the Hydraulic and Electrical Failures/Problems are the hardest to properly troubleshoot on the Airbus (see UAL in MSY earlier this year)

Secondly, here is why it doesn't add up...

-If there is a failure of BOTH Green and Yellow Systems, then the Flaps, Slats, Thrust Reversers then yes you are in a world of hurt. We did that in the SIM going into SKBO (Bogata) and myself and my sim partner ran off the end of the runway as well as 99.99999% of the trainees. However, that was in an airfield of 8000+ feet. I betchya if you ran the numbers for say an airport such as LAS, a dual hydraulic failure you would have a comfortable enough margin to land rather than risk a third failure of the Blue System (which would have been REALLY bad). Even if LAS wouldn't have worked, I betcha LAX would have...

.... with that....

-If I read the article correctly, they did restore one system. With the PTU a restoration of one system would power the other system so everything SHOULD have been working ok. If your flaps, spoilers, brakes, reversers are working OK, then an overweight landing isn't a big deal as...

-We have a procedure to do an overweight landing. During training at my place the instructors and check airman were adament that it is not a big deal to land overweight rather than risk more issues compounding in the air. The airplane is so automated the mechanics can very easily tell if any stresses were encountered during the landing and can be a very quick sign off. I have less than 100 hours in the plane, but the Captains I have flown with everytime have included in the briefings that if we need to land overweight we will rather than risk the problem compounding itself. If your plane is broken anyway, get it on the ground ASAP to get it fixed rather than worry about an additional inspection!

Maybe Cruise and PeanuckleCRJ can correct me if I am wrong on the info, I am new to the plane, but as I said somethings here don't add up.
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I'm not Cruise or PeanuckleCRJ, but after 7 1/2 years on the Bus, I can tell you that the ECAM says to land ASAP not circle around for 3 1/2 hours if there was a noted hydraulic failure. In anycase, I would get on the ground to sort things out ASAP because sorting out is better done there. I've done heavy landings many times in the Bus. My first flight after IOE was a medical emergency in the 321 only 20 minutes out of takeoff at DTW. We returned and landed without an issue.
 
I do; as always infrequently. I believe less is more.

But, just because you are new on the Bus, doesn't mean anything. Both you and Cruise have shown that you are right up there and current in the training by bringing up these points. I also wasn't there, but can't understand the need to remain in flight for 3 1/2 hours.
 
scooter2525 said:
It would be nice to have admin back up a pilots decision.
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You work at a company that has got some brains on it. Your former chief pilot is one of the best pilots I've ever flown with, AND one of the nicest guy I've ever worked with, AND one of the most intelligent pilots I know.
 
Like him, I have the same respect for the rest of my management team. They back up the pilot team well and it's great.
 
jtrain609 said:
You work at a company that has got some brains on it. Your former chief pilot is one of the best pilots I've ever flown with, AND one of the nicest guy I've ever worked with, AND one of the most intelligent pilots I know.
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He cain't dunk though. :)
 
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