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Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
The Captain I am flying with has--wait for it--12,000 hours in the EMB alone, has been here since the Convair and Twotter days, and we both made less than stellar landings.
(1) Total time is a relatively useless indicator of safety, not saying it is unimportant, but it's not the huge determinant everyone wants to believe it is
(2) You have no idea what the flight crew's qualification (or lack of) was
(3) Airmanship ability is independent of total time (not independent of time in type, though)
Therefore:
(4) Unwarranted statement is unwarranted.
That said, never let facts get in the way of Internet hating. Carry on, Your Airworthiness, and continue to expostulate on how all airline pilots are dangerous! It's **really** good for the industry as a whole when you do that!
Maurus
The Great Gazoo
For the most part I would agree, but 250 hours is definitely low and less safe. I still fly with the 250 hour guys in turbine equipment and it isn't exactly pretty. Some guys are top notch, but most others need some experience before moving up the ladder. Personally since I hit 250 hours, I can think of some mistakes I have made that I know I wont do again as a result. These mistakes have been done without 130+ passengers sitting in the back.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Where did anyone see that the flying pilot had 250 hours? Here's a current ANA/AJX expat opening (Requirement of 3000TT, 1000 commercial jet):
http://www.parcaviation.aero/pages/current_assignments/crew_resourcing.asp?RMURL=VacDetail.asp?CommAdSeqNo=1687
http://www.parcaviation.aero/pages/current_assignments/crew_resourcing.asp?RMURL=VacDetail.asp?CommAdSeqNo=1687
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
Having made those mistakes without paying people in the back (>250TT), I agree.
However, hating on your fellow professional does the industry zero good.
X-Forces
Big Black Guy
Some passengers will do just about anything for a better view out the window! Sheez....
X-Forces
Big Black Guy
Short of taxing around in the TO/GA detent, I think it would be hard to impress Southwest.
Yeah, you're totally right on this one. I knew WTH I was doing when I had 250 hours, because I had seen it all.
I just passed up 3k hours, and I still know that I don't know much. I am learning that I know just enough to not get myself hurt, most of the time. Time, while it may not be everything, sure accounts for a whole lot more than you give it credit for in your post. Actually being there, seeing it, observing what a more experinced captain does in that situation and his/her reaction is what makes the difference. With the current mantra of guys coming fresh out of places like IFTA and jumping right into the seat of a A3xx, this is the kind of thing that I expect to see. There is a reason they don't let people sit in the left seat of anything substantial with <3k hours. It's because things like this are MUCH more common with less experince. Warranted comment is totally warranted.
Kudos to you for flying with a guy who has 12k hours in an RJ. I have flown (more than one trip mind you) with guys who have 20k+ hours. What exactly does that prove? That they should have retired a while ago? That they are super sharp?
I look at it like this. A kid fresh out of college, doesn't just walk into the office and become a CEO. Sure, he has his degree, and some basic knowledge, but he certainly couldn't run the company. Give him a few years under his belt(or, hours in his seat), and he might, might, have what it takes to save the company(airplane) from certain doom(bent metal).
I don't know what these guys experience level was, and whether or not it was weather or pilot error that caused this. But when there is reports of what these guys were about to encounter, you either add some speed for a "just in case" moment, or go elsewhere.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Not unheard of, even in the US. I seem to recall back in '07 or '08, there was a 25 year old at Kalitta who had just checked out as captain on the 747-200.
jafra98
Well-Known Member
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jafra98
Well-Known Member
What's the average age to become a captain flying heavy equipment(Majors)???
scooter2525
Very well Member
There are cameras everywhere, this was taken outside the fence:
I guess it was their go-home leg?
Doesn't surprise me. I did some loadmaster work for them the summer of '05 and they had just hired a bunch of Lakes Captains. Right place, right time.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Dunno, but we've had some 20-something captains at my place of work (US non-major carrier). It's possible I could even go to upgrade at age 29 next year, if things start moving again. And hell, we've got some 23 year old FOs here who could very easily end up in the left seat of a widebody by 25. Pretty cool stuff. I'm sure it's happened at majors depending on the market, too.