trafficinsight
Well-Known Member
Cargo door perhaps?
FL PC-12 Accident Kills Family of 6
- Thread starter Murdoughnut
- Start date
Cargo door perhaps?
Mark815
Well-Known Member
Do you mean the cargo door let go? In the photos it's still shut and secured it appears.
trafficinsight
Well-Known Member
Haven't been able to look at articles yet and I was wondering what could eject a person.
Sent from 1865 by telegraph....
dustoff17
Still trying to reach the Top Shelf
Geez. The flight data from FlightAware.com tells a bit of a story. Everything leading up to the first two rows shown here seems fine, then they are down to 60kts... then suddenly up to 255. Criminy... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N950KA/history/20120607/1530Z/KFPR/3JC/tracklog
TIME....Course KTS MPH Altitude Rate
11:32....291°..147.169 24,700.. 480
11:33.... 87°..147.169 25,200.. 600
11:34.... 57°.. 68. 78 26,000.. 360
11:35.... 43°.. 60. 69 26,000..
11:36.... 43°..255.293 26,000..
11:37.... 43°..255.293 26,000..
11:38....309°..255.293 26,000..-720
12:14....317°................. -720
I din't understand this: loss of 90kts in level flight? Icing?
But THEN accelerate 190kts but maintain altitude? What's cruise on a PC-12?
Bandit_Driver
Gold Member
I wonder if there are any previous repairs where the hole was and was their a fatigue problem. Similar as how the JAL 747 broke up do to a bad repair on the pressure bulkhead.
I don't trust flightaware at all, they list some really wierd stuff. It would be interesting to see the ATC tapes though. Is there a CVR on the PC-12?
I don't trust flightaware at all, they list some really wierd stuff. It would be interesting to see the ATC tapes though. Is there a CVR on the PC-12?
WacoFan
Bigly
I'm thinking that as well - was there any previous damage history on this PC-12 that could have been repaired incorrectly or something? A check of the NTSB site would see if there had been a damage problem by flying, but wouldn't say of something happened - like a tug hitting the plane and subsequently being repaired, etc. Perhaps a bulkhead was weakened and missed or not repaired.
Not true. Airplanes can sustain damage inflight that doesn't fit the reportable category of the NTSB.
WacoFan
Bigly
Very true, I was narrowing down to some "incident" but you are correct - I was imprecise.
Have you worked any in-flight breakups?
Not in my time, no. They're fairly rare events as-is, and usually involve some kind of external force such as, for example, heavy convective activity or penetration of an embedded thunderstorm. Pre-existing damage has rarely been causal to an inflight breakup. Inflight failure of an airframe component or separation, yes, but rarely causal to an airframe disintegration airborne.
N519AT
Ahh! This is how I change this!
Couldn't be. The cargo door is on the left side, and I believe the hole was on the right side?
In the pictures you can see the cargo door still in place, but with the handle up.
The only thing I can think of on the right side is the emergency exit (which is probably a plug type hatch).
The prop does look feathered after seeing the pictures close up. As someone else pointed out, the gear appears to be down and the flaps look like they're out of the up position. I wonder if there might have been a fire on board maybe?
Mark815
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't trust Flightaware for exact numbers. It's a good reference to get an idea of what's going on, but remember it's not 100%. We file for 265 in the PC12.
If you look in the pictures on huffington, the emergency exit is missing, but doesn't look like there's damage around it. Assuming (again I hate that word) that emergency personnel probably used it to access the cabin after the crash.
LatitudeDancer
Well-Known Member
My uncle's plane had an in-flight break-up of sorts (a Seneca). My aunt apparently jumped out about a mile before the crash site. Figure she thought jumping out was better than staying in. Ya never know.
My mom used to always keep me away from the windows and doors in the Baron I grew up in. Maybe a kid got bored and went for something (the emergency exit). She said when I was younger I was always reaching for something when I got bored (almost always).
ComplexHiAv8r
Well-Known Member
Bandit_Driver said:
Yea like my brother's flight to TN last week with track and all into TN over 100 miles when they diverted to AR because of weather. Interesting.
RedBaron2000
Well-Known Member
Can't imagine how you could get the forward cargo door open in the airstream. Unless you're talking about the Bell 206.IIRC there was an incident with a 206 several years ago when a kid was playing in back & fell out. Couldn't even imagine.
In this accident, does anybody see the horizontal tail & outboard right wing in the pics?
XLR99
Well-Known Member
Sorry, I meant Cessna 206. My google fu is weak this morning; not finding the accident report. I think it was in TX/AR or something in the 70s.
It's just another piece of evidence. It's usefulness and utility would be compared to known facts collected and the parts that match, such as with ATC radar data or onboard nav data that can be recovered, would be used, while the rest would be speculative and/or unconfirmed, due to source reliability issues.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
I know I said this already but I used to fly 950KA. The photos have been really haunting me. I helped pick up the A/C new in Scottsdale. My first turbine single pilot flight was on 0KA, from the Bay Area to North Bend Oregon with 8 golfers and all of their gear. For some reason it just hits home way harder seeing that aircraft all broken up on the ground. I'm really curious to know what happened. RIP