Mooney low over water... like... REALLY low

Houston said:
Not much chance. The only time a waiver allows energy directed at people is when they are part of the act and even that is very controlled.
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Obviously. I was using that as an example of the fact that we don't know anything about the situation, and thus it's impossible to make safety and airmanship judgments based on the video alone.
 
knot4u said:
Hacker, if it was waivered airspace would it be legal for those boats and people to be there? Not arguing, genuinely curious and ignorant. Well not completely ignorant, I know you're a Reno fan as am I having worked on an unlimited for a few years. Are you going this year?
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No, I don't realistically think that is what was going on, but I was using it as an example of things that could be true which are opposed to many of the opinions that were being expressed in some of the posts on the first page of this thread.

I do hope to be going to Reno, yes, so long as Uncle Sam lets me have the correct time off.
 
Hacker15e said:
Obviously. I was using that as an example of the fact that we don't know anything about the situation, and thus it's impossible to make safety and airmanship judgments based on the video alone.
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...... okay, and without further evidence or investigation, what would you estimate the odds are that it was safe and demonstrated sound airmanship?
 
When faced with the decision to do something like this, I always find it prudent to ask myself "how is this going to read in the accident report?"
 
I'm surprised by the number of people who've never done anything stupid in airplanes when they were new and invincible. You guys have always had the seasoned gravitas of Sully, have ya? :)

And "Deserves to die," really?
 
"I'm surprised by the number of people who've never done anything stupid in airplanes when they were new and invincible. You guys have always had the seasoned gravitas of Sully, have ya? :)"


Lots of people do lots of stupid things in aircraft everyday. This appears to be pure "watch this!", in other words purely intentional, dusk, towards people, high speed. As close as he got to the water it wouldn't suprise me if he scared himself.
 
knot4u said:
Lots of people do lots of stupid things in aircraft everyday. This appears to be pure "watch this!", in other words purely intentional, dusk, towards people, high speed. As close as he got to the water it wouldn't suprise me if he scared himself.
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Oh hell, I'm not defending anyone. Just sayin'... We were all inexperienced and invincible once. The smart ones learn.
 
Once again, I am ashamed of all of you...

IT'S CHEMTRAILS!

They are testing the chemicals on a local population at low altitude to see what the rapid effects are. You can't see the trail as that is the new formula so we see even less CHEMTRAILS! IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

BwaHAHAHA!
 
dasleben said:
I'm surprised by the number of people who've never done anything stupid in airplanes when they were new and invincible. You guys have always had the seasoned gravitas of Sully, have ya? :)

And "Deserves to die," really?
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It's not that none of us have done anything stupid, we all obviously have. It's that THIS is stupid.

It's not like we haven't thought that we were invincible when we were new, we all very likely have. It's that THIS has all the hallmarks of horrible decision making.

It's not like we all haven't come close to eating it a handful of times, because with this job, crap happens. It's that THIS act puts the guy into a corner where it's unlikely, in my view, that this guy came out of this one because of superior airmanship, but very likely because of superior luck.

And that pretty much sums up the thing that instructors teach their students; always have an out, make good decisions, and use superior decision making so that you don't need to use superior skills to extract yourself from a really bad situation. This flyby violated every rule that I've ever been taught as a pilot, or ever passed on as an instructor.

And dare I say, I'm not even saying that buzzing a lake is the worst idea in the history of the world. Is it a good way to get killed? Sure. But are there ways to mitigate the risk? Of course. How about we start with offsetting from the people 500', that's probably a good start. But when you look at this there's no risk mitigation, only good luck that the guy didn't hit anything.

And in the end, some PC idea that we ALL live in a glass house and therefore shouldn't throw stones should NEVER take a back seat to telling one of our colleagues that what they did was stupid, probably came close to getting others injured, and should not be repeated.
 
dasleben said:
It's a rookie mistake. Gosh, you...you just hate to see that. :)
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Wow dude you wish harm on someone? That speaks volumes about the person you are...

He does not deserve to die
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I do not "wish" harm on anyone at all. However, barring any good reasons the Eagle driver mentioned, flying that low is just stupid and dangerous beyond reproach. If someone like that were to tank it in and kill themselves, I would certainly never think, "Ahh gee that is too bad. That guy did not deserve that". If that makes me an evil arsehole in your book, so be it I guess. My initial reaction was a bit more emotional of course, more out of anger because people like that make a bad name for the rest of us, at the very least.
Murdoughnut said:
I'm sure he'd prefer the guy either quit flying, or get his caca together. But it's just like people who street race - if they're not going to wise up, I would rather see them wrapped around a pole before they t-bone some innocent family.
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Certainly I would rather see them wadded up before the took someone with them. Just going off what I see in the video alone, this person looks as if he or she endangered more than just themselves.
 
jtrain609 said:
And in the end, some PC idea that we ALL live in a glass house and therefore shouldn't throw stones should NEVER take a back seat to telling one of our colleagues that what they did was stupid, probably came close to getting others injured, and should not be repeated.
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Never? Maybe you mean "not always", in which case I agree. But showing a context-free clip pulled from the internet doesn't strike me as the sort of evidence I'd want to have before I started wailing and gnashing my teeth about how this dude "deserved to die", etc. As Hacker said, is it LIKELY to be some fool being foolish? Yes. Extremely likely, even. But I don't know, and neither do you. It's a peculiar facet of the Information Age that everyone feels on fire to have a strong, aggreived opinion about every single thing they see. And then get angry when that Holy Opinion is challenged in even the most nuanced, uncommitted, milquetoast way.
 
Roger Roger said:
When faced with the decision to do something like this, I always find it prudent to ask myself "how is this going to read in the accident report?"
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Or, "What would my father think as he read the report?"

(If he were to utter "oh, you stupid kid" then I know I should probably rethink what I was doing.)

dasleben said:
Oh hell, I'm not defending anyone. Just sayin'... We were all inexperienced and invincible once. The smart ones learn.
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"The Defense Department regrets to inform you that your sons are dead because they were stupid..."
 
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