E190 poor design

[SurferLucas]

All I know is flying into EVERY major airport on the West Coast...when taxiing onto the runway for takeoff, the strobes come on. If you line up and wait, then it's just strobes...when cleared for takeoff, landing and flare lights come on. (Unless you're Alaska...they turn EVERYTHING on when going onto the runway, cleared for takeoff or not...something about flying in Alaska).

Just my observation.

 

[PositionAndHold]

What is interesting here is that when you are actually out at the runway at any given airport on any given night that vast majority of crews (even DAL crews) exercise courtesy over blind rule following when it come to this issue...That really says it all does it not? Those of you holding onto the regulatory/FOM argument here (as technically correct as you are) are in the very small minority out on the line. I really don't think statistically, and this is only a guess, there is any justification for either argument. To me this makes it an issue of courtesy. It's really easy to sit there and say "just look away" until you happen to be randomly looking in some direction at something and then suddenly your eyeballs are getting nuked by strobes when the aircraft in front of you turns them on..The "look away" method is only effective to a degree.

Myself and the best pilots I fly with tend to look at things like this as such: Take a particular rule, such as this, and hypothetically remove all regulatory aspect to it. Would you still follow it without a second thought? If so it's probably a damn good rule. If you would question it or disregard it if it wasn't regulatory then you've probably got a rule that needs to be updated or done away with entirely. 95% of our rules, procedures and FAR's are there for a very good reason. But there are a few of them here and there that need to be moved to file #13.

The weird thing though is there are only two of you arguing against using strobes while holding in position and the rest seem to be for it. I'm a self admited courtesy nazi. Like people blinding you from the opposite side of the runway, strobe use any where but the active drives me crazy. Pilots using a ton of breakaway thrust when it's just not needed, or if there is two directions to turn, pilots that put their blast towards people or hangars. I could go on and on about the lack of courtesy in aviation. I just feel this one time safety trumps courtesy. I feel that lighting up when crossing or holding on an active runway is a good thing. People I fly with feel the same way. The lack of lighting in the lax accident was sighted and is where this procedure comes from. Since the lax accident I don't believe one like it has happened again. Is it because of people lighting up while on a runway? Not sure, but for now I think I'll keep doing it.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Then you haven't been paying attention. Have you really thought about it while holding short? Start observing then next time you fly at night into big airports. You will notice that most crews leave them off until cleared for takeoff.

Since strobe lights clearly annoy the beejezis out of you, I'll be turning mine on crossing the line just to make sure you're annoyed enough to notice my airplane is there, and so you won't hit it.

 

[dasleben]

All I know is flying into EVERY major airport on the West Coast...when taxiing onto the runway for takeoff, the strobes come on. If you line up and wait, then it's just strobes...when cleared for takeoff, landing and flare lights come on. (Unless you're Alaska...they turn EVERYTHING on when going onto the runway, cleared for takeoff or not...something about flying in Alaska).

Just my observation.

That's how it is everywhere. If I'm seen as a robo-pilot by the minority for following the procedure, I'm not losing any sleep.

 

[SurferLucas]

That's how it is everywhere. If I'm seen as a robo-pilot by the minority for following the procedure, I'm not losing any sleep.

I sleep very well, thank you! Hahahaha, for me, turning on those lights is my way of making sure I've been cleared onto the run. Do ya'll turn on the "Taxi" light when cleared to land, or is that just a technique used here?

 

[Bumblebee]

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I sleep very well, thank you! Hahahaha, for me, turning on those lights is my way of making sure I've been cleared onto the run. Do ya'll turn on the "Taxi" light when cleared to land, or is that just a technique used here?

here being SkyWest? That's where I learned the taxi on means cleared to land reminder (and nice for centerline at night LOL)

 

[SurferLucas]

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here being SkyWest? That's where I learned the taxi on means cleared to land reminder (and nice for centerline at night LOL)

The other turboprop drivers on the west coast ...Q4-hundy's!

 

[Polar742]

I heard Alchemy was tossing strobes and lights on like a boss in JFK last night.

Crossing runways, Lining up and waiting.

Flipped taxi lights on to indicate aircraft movement.

#winning.

15 pages

 

[MikeD]

As I said, I don't mind planes taxiing around with night strobes on, as often that's their only beacon light. Taxiing around with day strobes on, yes I can definitely see the argument.

 

[Houston]

I don't know. All the documentation I have is confidential because it involved a termination case. Let me do some looking to see if there is a public case record for the hearing.

Thanks.

The ones that go to the full NTSB are easy to find, but I have yet to figure out how to dig out the ones that stop at the ALJ level.

 

[N519AT]

I sleep very well, thank you! Hahahaha, for me, turning on those lights is my way of making sure I've been cleared onto the run. Do ya'll turn on the "Taxi" light when cleared to land, or is that just a technique used here?

We do that, but we did take a lot of your company's old airplanes and basically stole their book on how to fly the thing too. I'm sure that a lot of what we do was carried over from your company.

 

[SurferLucas]

We do that, but we did take a lot of your company's old airplanes and basically stole their book on how to fly the thing too. I'm sure that a lot of what we do was carried over from your company.

I'm glad you're keepin the ole girls flying well, and that someone like yourself is treating them right. Those Q200's were good workhorses for us, so hopefully they're carrying on that tradition for you!

 

[BobDDuck]

Thanks.

The ones that go to the full NTSB are easy to find, but I have yet to figure out how to dig out the ones that stop at the ALJ level.

Yep. We were actually doing some research as far as case history and ran into the same problem. Most ALJ level decisions seem to either be sealed or just not published. All I have is a statement finding the FAA in the wrong (the issue pertained to visual pattern entry out of all things) but there doesn't seem to be any official decision issued.

 

[Nark]

For those of you who don't have the luxury of sitting in a major metropolitan airport where some members here try to validate their argument, here is a a video I've found: