United hiring by Fall 2012

jtrain609 said:
Hiring 100 people a month is probably somewhere near the max capacity for their training department, even if you're talking about running Denver and Houston at the same time. Heck, it might be OVER their max capacity for training.
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Not even close. Even AirTran could put that many people through training when necessary. Pre-9/11, all of the legacies were doing well over 100 per month (maybe not AAA; can't remember for sure).
 
wheelsup said:
United posted a half billion dollar loss this quarter as well. Think 2007-2008.
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A lot of that was one-time charges related to the integration, as well as other one-time items. The real loss was about half of that. UAL is well positioned to do very well for the foreseeable future. First quarters are tough for everyone. Always are in this business.
 
I had a united pilot on the jumpseat out of PNS and he says they are already really short, but their instructors are all out flying the line so they can't really do any hiring.
 
The UAL DEN training center is indeed busy, as evidenced by continual 2200-0200 sim blocks for contract company training. :P
 
Screaming_Emu said:
I had a united pilot on the jumpseat out of PNS and he says they are already really short, but their instructors are all out flying the line so they can't really do any hiring.
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United had over 100 vacancies after their lasted bid was complete. They are especially short right now because guys are going offline for 787 training etc with no replacement. Furlough recall process is either complete or very close to it. 1 in 9 are accepting recall. Lots of former 737 UAL pilots who were furloughed flying left seat in ME and China for 14k+ /month tax free. They may never come back.
 
First off, they are NOT RECALLING furloughs. They are simply giving preferential hiring at CAL for UAL furloughees. This is not a recall.

Second, they have not even gotten through all the United furloughees. They have sent out 1181 letters to UAL furloughs for PREFERENTIAL HIRING, there are 1437 total. CAL is hiring at a reduced rate for the summer (only 4 a month) so this will take a lot longer to get through all 1437.

Third, if they do decide to recall, they would have to go back through all 1181 to see if they would like their old United seniority back, then get to the last of the furloughs. Even on the low side, if 250 would want to go back to the UAL side, plus the 250 still not recalled comes out to 500 people who have to go through the training pipeline. If this is the case, they would need to start ramping up DENTK and recalling furloughs about right now.

Lastly, from what I've heard there will be no recalls until a contract and SLI are agreed on.
 
I heard this in the pad yesterday too.. Sounds like they need to be hiring now but don't have any instructors available to do so... I heard September timeline as well...
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I think it's three 717 sims, and a couple of 737 sims. But we weren't limited by that. We sent pilots to Long Beach for 717 sim at times, and to a bunch of different places for 737 sim.
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We've got three also, and we've filled up Hobby, St. Louis and Orlando for Flight Safety and have never been able to get more than 80 new hires through per month from what I've seen. The problem is upgrades, I think. While they're doing those 80 new hires per month, they're upgrading 40, all while trying to make sure that regular RPC's get done.

Sim space has seemingly always been our limitation, as the company seems willing (when push comes to shove) to get the instructors back to the school house when necessary.
 
jtrain609 said:
We've got three also, and we've filled up Hobby, St. Louis and Orlando for Flight Safety and have never been able to get more than 80 new hires through per month from what I've seen. The problem is upgrades, I think. While they're doing those 80 new hires per month, they're upgrading 40, all while trying to make sure that regular RPC's get done.

Sim space has seemingly always been our limitation, as the company seems willing (when push comes to shove) to get the instructors back to the school house when necessary.
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Running instructors full time is very, very expensive. I'm not sure how it works there, but, our guys used to double up sims, and walk home with 160 hours/month + 1200+hours per diem. Running one sim 3 shifts a day, 7 days a week like that takes at least 5 instructors... the IP bill on one sim running full time for us is close to 60k/month. I cant imagine 3+ sims at a legacy.

Airlines never seem to like buying out more IP's for a month. high costs with low utilization... but eventually (when it's too late) they will
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
Running instructors full time is very, very expensive. I'm not sure how it works there, but, our guys used to double up sims, and walk home with 160 hours/month + 1200+hours per diem. Running one sim 3 shifts a day, 7 days a week like that takes at least 5 instructors... the IP bill on one sim running full time for us is close to 60k/month. I cant imagine 3+ sims at a legacy.

Airlines never seem to like buying out more IP's for a month. high costs with low utilization... but eventually (when it's too late) they will
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Pinnacle's offering to buy off line pilots to teach sims and GFS now. Just based on straight time with no extra shifts picked up, it's 100+ hours of credit a month. Since you're not flying, there's no limit to what you can pick up on top of that. Hell, you could pick up flying out of open time if you wanted to. If you're out of domicile, it's 24/7 per diem. If the commute from MCO to MEM wasn't so insane, I'd probably do it.
 
It's so strange.... I'm IAH based and I've heard anything from no hiring until at least next year to git yer stuff in for the fall, the pilot shortage is here!!!
 
My Dad said the CEO wants to get max productivity out of the new contract because they want to avoid hiring, and want everyone to get junior manned, 99 hours, etc.

It sounds like the UAL guys will not take the CAL work rules ever, and want the scope, rules, and pay to actually be something they gain this time around, not give up.

He has been shining up his striking shoes from the late 80s.
 
kellwolf said:
Pinnacle's offering to buy off line pilots to teach sims and GFS now. Just based on straight time with no extra shifts picked up, it's 100+ hours of credit a month. Since you're not flying, there's no limit to what you can pick up on top of that. Hell, you could pick up flying out of open time if you wanted to. If you're out of domicile, it's 24/7 per diem. If the commute from MCO to MEM wasn't so insane, I'd probably do it.
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that's in accordance with the full time buy. Should be 12 days off, 4 hard with that ( unless they changed it)

It might be worth doing for a month for the resume.

Usually sim guys get a pos. space ticket in to work from Dom.
 
rickt86 said:
My Dad said the CEO wants to get max productivity out of the new contract because they want to avoid hiring, and want everyone to get junior manned, 99 hours, etc.

It sounds like the UAL guys will not take the CAL work rules ever, and want the scope, rules, and pay to actually be something they gain this time around, not give up.

He has been shining up his striking shoes from the late 80s.
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Ya, ok...
 
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