KingAir Accident

it kind looks like he came in tight/hot slipping through the turn. Hard to tell if both engines were running.
 
:13 - :17 Nose is changing heading with an increasing rate to the pilot's right without increasing AOB. Gear was up, looks like he was going for a low pass. Pulled too hard while skidding the turn. Probably trying to bring the nose around with rudder... He essentially did a half snap roll right into the ground.
 
From what I have read, The aircraft was on a pre re-deliver test flight after maintenance work and the pilot reported that he lost power and altitude shortly after takeoff and he tried to return before he crashed about 300 meters short of the runway near some technical school. Damn. That looked like a really tight turn to me and I am thinking he may have lost one engine and eye witnesses said there appeared to be something happening with the right engine. One very brief report I saw, said something about there is a power line that runs along the treeline there and that his right main may have caught it. I can't state that this is the case though and I haven't found anything better at this point. It does look like he slid a bit too and was really rushing in. Maybe some serious out of balance power and lift...maybe pulling too much to try and line up. I didn't see the nose come up either. But an engine out landing should not normally be an issue. Really sad business. UGH. Was he attempting a go around or trying to land for sure? It just all looks so uncoordinated.
 
I watched it on the big screen and I can see the gear down now. Yeah, it does look like he could have snagged the right main on a power line.
 
TwoTwoLeft said:
I watched it on the big screen and I can see the gear down now. Yeah, it does look like he could have snagged the right main on a power line.
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Oh man, how sad. That roll was just awful and damn fast. It had me thinking hell, that can't be just a wing stall. Why the heck was he rushing so? One engine out on that plane is not that big of a deal, especially given where he was. I wonder if the other engine was having an issue as well or he panicked or what.
 
WOW... A single engine landing should never end up this way or any landing for that matter. Completely pilot error. In an emergency (Single engine, VFR, day isn't an emergency while flying a King Air ) nothing should be different except the fact an engine is shut down. The profile should remain the same as any other flight. Fly the same speed, descent rate, profile, etc... that you would on any other flight. It's amazing to me that pilots fly so uncoordinated while single engine. If you feel like you're sliding out the side of your seat you're doing it wrong. It's really just that simple.
 
A Life Aloft said:
Oh man, how sad. That roll was just awful and damn fast. It had me thinking hell, that can't be just a wing stall. Why the heck was he rushing so? One engine out on that plane is not that big of a deal, especially given where he was. I wonder if the other engine was having an issue as well or he panicked or what.
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That was a classic stall spin accident, single engine or otherwise. The roll itself was fast, all the time spent prior to that flying with tons of inside rudder wasn't that fast. Add the pulling the nose up to make the runway with all that right rudder and you've got yourself the classic base to final spin. Sad that the pilot had more than enough warning and didn't break the chain to stop the accident. (assuming all other systems were working properly).
 
I watched it on my iphone first and the way he was diving in on the and leveled off hard and low looked like he was going for a high speed pass and over shot the centerline. Looking at it again, if he were to catch a main on a wire there would be considerable amount of yaw and the nose would dive. The attitude remained constant as the departure happened. I think you're right that he was trying to rush the approach. Looks like he overshot final, and entered an accelerated stall while skidding. If the right engine had failed, not applying enough left rudder was causing the skid. Looks like he was trying to turn right while still banking into good (left) engine... I've actually seen an airplane hit powerlines before and from what I recall, there was more of an electrical flash when the lines break... If they're powered...

An intentional snap roll entered at just 20 kts above Vs initially has about twice the roll rate of a roll initiated with aileron. The speed of the autorotation on departure does make sense given the speed of the approach.
 
There is what looks like a small flash and maybe a little smoke on the right wing around the 00:15 point. It's hard to tell with the trees and stuff but part of the wing may have come off, hence the roll.
 
TwoTwoLeft said:
I watched it on my iphone first and the way he was diving in on the and leveled off hard and low looked like he was going for a high speed pass and over shot the centerline. Looking at it again, if he were to catch a main on a wire there would be considerable amount of yaw and the nose would dive. The attitude remained constant as the departure happened. I think you're right that he was trying to rush the approach. Looks like he overshot final, and entered an accelerated stall while skidding. If the right engine had failed, not applying enough left rudder was causing the skid. Looks like he was trying to turn right while still banking into good (left) engine... I've actually seen an airplane hit powerlines before and from what I recall, there was more of an electrical flash when the lines break... If they're powered...

An intentional snap roll entered at just 20 kts above Vs initially has about twice the roll rate of a roll initiated with aileron. The speed of the autorotation on departure does make sense given the speed of the approach.
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He may have been pushing it around with the rudder as well. If he did that enough, over he goes. It very much looked to me like he was diving in also. Look at it carefully at 17 seconds in. Look at the very back, under the tail. Does it look like he hit something? The wire? Or am I seeing something else? Is it just the tail rolling over in yaw or what? Did that pushed yaw then cause the wing to stall? Granted, I am watching this on a laptop, but something looks a little funny there. Then look closely at the wing at the same time point. Watch the trees near the tip of that wing. It looks like the wing has dipped down into and has struck the tree or trees, you can even see some branches/leaves moving and is this after something else has happened (like hitting the wire) that I just can't make out clearly? Was the wire (if this is the issue) just behind that tree? Watch it a couple of times and see what you think. He could have just snapped rolled it, but I am just not sure watching this several times at that instant just prior to the roll. Unfortunately, all the reports/write-ups I can find, are in Portuguese.
 
folks, this is pilot error, this is what it looks like. It's sad, but true.

Hard to see, but take it in and learn the lesson of this tragedy...there is no clipping of a wire, it is very apparent if you can just stop looking for an excuse for the poor guy.
 
Bumblebee said:
folks, this is pilot error, this is what it looks like. It's sad, but true.

Hard to see, but take it in and learn the lesson of this tragedy...there is no clipping of a wire, it is very apparent if you can just stop looking for an excuse for the poor guy.
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Monday morning QB much?

While I tend to agree with the sentiment, it looks like poor airmanship a short YouTube clip isn't sufficient to understand the whole story. But that's just my take.
 
ppragman said:
Monday morning QB much?
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no I don't, that's why it means something. Nearly every person above mine in the post is trying to find some hope that the guy didn't just kill himself from lack of airmanship (monday morning QB'ing) but when I point out the simple truth that you can all see in front of your face (should you so desire) I get the poke. It's cool, I expected it.
 
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sharkey said:
There is what looks like a small flash and maybe a little smoke on the right wing around the 00:15 point. It's hard to tell with the trees and stuff but part of the wing may have come off, hence the roll.
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I think the flash you are seeing is the wing tip strobes. You'll see them several times in the video. This is a case of the left wing out flying the stalled right wing. If I had to guess I'd say the roll and impact with terrain may have caused the wing to come off.
 
Watching it on a big screen, you can definitely see the increase in AOA as (it appears) the pilot tries to salvage the over-shot final turn.
 
Keith Eyler said:
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I think the flash you are seeing is the wing tip strobes. You'll see them several times in the video. This is a case of the left wing out flying the stalled right wing. If I had to guess I'd say the roll and impact with terrain may have caused the wing to come off.
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Fair enough, I'm not watching it on the best computer. And I'd like the record to reflect that I was not trying to absolve the pilot just pointing out something I saw.
 
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