*yawn*? Time and date? Here's the flaw of the logic: It's like seeing a Japanese person on the street walking around, and you going up to them and beating them up, because, you know, their ancestors killed a bunch of our people at Pearl Harbor, and for years thereafter. So that person on the street HAS to be just as guilty? Of course that's not the case.....because you and I both know it makes no sense, but it's the same logic being applied here.
And why is it that the GoJet FO lied (which I don't think he should have to....what happened at GoJet isn't his fault, unless he's an original....then I would wonder why he's still an FO)? Maybe that particular person is a liar in all of his life....I have no idea.
Are you, by your logic, saying that there never should've been a Freedom B that wasn't held accountable for the sins of Freedom A pilots?
The stars (*) around the "yawn" are denoting an action. The writer is yawning due to the GoJet thread going where it always goes.
I was wondering how long until you (it was you last time right) brought up the Japanese strawman here. The ancestors of the GoJet pilot isn't in question, it is the current regard for them. No one is advocating violence. No one disagrees they are still an alter ego. The logic for your "Japanese example" isn't being used here.
I didn't ask why he lied, I asked if I could still be angry with him.
What I am saying pertains to GoJet's and I've made myself clear time and time again. It's tough to notice but your silver bullet to the GoJet issue of trying to fault the logic is underwhelming and unconvincing. Furthermore the question as to the logic may be more akin to a level of aggravation of an assault. Rape of a woman is bad, rape of a woman age 12 by a man age 30 is worse, and the laws and punishments reflect that view of the community. If perceptions, levels of disgust, and crimes of various degrees are that are the views of a society are reflected in their laws, would it not stand to reason a professional society would have similar degrees and measures by which we judge others (and convict so to speak). Maybe it's just tough for some of us to have friends from TSA who lost their jobs and professional careers were delayed due to your poor little troll GoJets whose current incarnation is so misunderstood. Perhaps many of our hatred is the same as those Marines I know and shoot with (at least used to) that still refuse to buy anything Japanese thanks to a little walk their brethren took around an island many years ago. Does this all sound familiar? It should we've hashed this before using the same tired examples
I'm often reminded of a English comedian who made fun of our degrees of murder on a standup routine because the concept of a 1st vs 2nd was so foreign to him. However, the idea of investigation and trail of every death of every citizen to determine fault (as seen in the English system years back) was always strange to me.
Again, date and time Mike.
You mention no unity and no concerted tactics or even objective. Why are there none? If industry pilots should be "in this together", then that kind of way of thinking doesn't help to make the industry better. Or is the tactic to "get what Im getting, and sabotage the rest"? If there are no measurable war objectives, then battles are worthless at best. Trust me, Im in the middle of one right now on a grand scale.....
This pertains to GoJet how? Are you suggesting some method of banding pilots together? Please illuminate. I hope you aren't doing the tired dance of, "the sooner you accept the GoJet pilots into the fold the sooner things get better." There is no fold, things will only get better when pilots stand together, and we won't. It's not going to happen if we all give GoJet's a reacharound, it's not going to happen if we beg on our knees for mainline to get all the scope back. It's not going to happen if I paperbomb Dallas with pro ALPA leaflets to try and get American to drop APA and join ALPA. It's not going to happen if I did the same this to SWA for SWAPA.
Your point does not get highlighted or elevated due to your service in the military or your current ToD in Afghanistan- sorry. Although I do appreciate your service and pray to God it's all over soon and your back home.
Mesaba taking a stand aganst alter-ego carriers is understandable, as carriers like that are an issue. But once it's found out they're not necessarily going away, is it possible that it would better to try and morph it into something that helps the industry?
Sure it's possible. You tell me how to morph it. And don't give me the "stock it full of good guys" routine, there's no way to do that. So give me the rundown on your plan and I'll weigh its potential success.
It's also possible Pinnacle will get bought by Fedex and we'll get relative integration.
