PC-12...complex endorsment question inside.

squeezemylemon said:
i feel safer on pratt 145 than on a twin piston.flew imc on the 208 in rain and snow from t off to landing,and engine did nt say anyyhing.

once u taste the mono turbine,u will change your mind.

if you got a job for me,i m your man.
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That may be, but if I'm in the mountains at night with ice and snow, an ils to mins... give me two engines. If they were actually that perfect we wouldn't do v1 cuts and single engine approaches in multi turbines.
 
z987k said:
That may be, but if I'm in the mountains at night with ice and snow, an ils to mins... give me two engines. If they were actually that perfect we wouldn't do v1 cuts and single engine approaches in multi turbines.
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As someone who will soon be flying the PC-12, I'd tend to agree. Regardless of how reliable turbines are, it doesn't exactly make me feel all warm and fuzzy to be flying over the mountains in Mexico, at night, in IMC, in a single anything.
 
Patrick said:
As someone who will soon be flying the PC-12, I'd tend to agree. Regardless of how reliable turbines are, it doesn't exactly make me feel all warm and fuzzy to be flying over the mountains in Mexico, at night, in IMC, in a single anything.
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And while we're at it, I'd prefer it to be certified under part 25 rather than 23.
 
Patrick said:
As someone who will soon be flying the PC-12, I'd tend to agree. Regardless of how reliable turbines are, it doesn't exactly make me feel all warm and fuzzy to be flying over the mountains in Mexico, at night, in IMC, in a single anything.
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Forget where I've seen it, but isn't single engine at night not authorized in Mexico?
 
As somebody who has PC-12 time, and other single turbine time (Meridian) I can say they are very safe. But they don't give me the warm and fuzzies like twins do.
 
Patrick said:
As someone who will soon be flying the PC-12, I'd tend to agree. Regardless of how reliable turbines are, it doesn't exactly make me feel all warm and fuzzy to be flying over the mountains in Mexico, at night, in IMC, in a single anything.
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Actually, as someone with "substantial mountain time" (whatever the hell that means) the mountains in Mexico when I was going down there didn't really bother me much. The approaches had a tendency to be a little complex, and the controllers either didn't speak english or didn't know what the hell they were doing, but other than that, it was pretty easy. The runways are all mostly long, the facilities are generally good on the ground, and the approaches, while usually done from the whole procedure, and via some convoluted system of arcs and stepdowns, are by and large straight forward. Mexico isn't that big of a deal. US customs is a pain in the ass, but Mexico is fairly easy other than the sleep deprivation to get down there.

Are you going to go to Priority out of...uhh...I think they're in Ohio?
 
ppragman said:
Actually, as someone with "substantial mountain time" (whatever the hell that means) the mountains in Mexico when I was going down there didn't really bother me much. The approaches had a tendency to be a little complex, and the controllers either didn't speak english or didn't know what the hell they were doing, but other than that, it was pretty easy. The runways are all mostly long, the facilities are generally good on the ground, and the approaches, while usually done from the whole procedure, and via some convoluted system of arcs and stepdowns, are by and large straight forward. Mexico isn't that big of a deal. US customs is a pain in the ass, but Mexico is fairly easy other than the sleep deprivation to get down there.

Are you going to go to Priority out of...uhh...I think they're in Ohio?
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Totally agree on the approaches down there. My company just bought a PC-12, but I do see the Priority guys all over the place.
 
BlueMoon said:
No, but they require type ratings. Which is kind of just a plane specific endorsement.
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Interesting...so does this mean that I call my boss tomorrow and get the rest of the week off since I never received said type rating? :D


Since we're on the topic of the PC12, I really love the airplane, and the single engine thing doesn't bother me much unless I'm down low over water. The only time I've felt a bit uneasy was getting vectored off of V1 near DIXIE at night once. We were going to FRG in the winter, and NY kept descending us and put us over the water. We ended up off shore at something like 2500'...wasn't a fan of that.

No engine is perfect, but in the past year of flying the PC12 I've never had a single hiccup out of that PT6. Certainly can't say the same for pistons that I've flown.
 
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