PNCL Files Chapter 11

Fences will only be in place for about 4 more years. Which is a long time I guess but its not forever, especially if you have only been at Colgan for a couple years.
 
ajdwings said:
Wow! Even a blind squirrel occasionally gets a nut! Congrats!
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LOL! Well, not entirely blind. I saw enough writing on the wall when 11-09 first came out that I went out and obtained the ATP on my own. I started applying everywhere like crazy and finally got called from one place (and without any internal recommendations, surprisngly).
 
From the same article Gonzo posted:

Pinnacle's filing marks the 43rd time an airline has sought bankruptcy protection since the Sept. 11 attacks, and the 191st time since the industry was deregulated in 1978.
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flyer8 said:
Really? will we get bypass pay?
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I'm not a contract genius, but as i understand 24.8 or whatever it is, if we are displaced to a junior postion before somebody who is "junior" to us, then we get the pay untill they are... I would take that to mean, if a captain who is senior to a 9E CA gets displaced to CRJ-200 FO, then they would/should be protected.

The bloch award can get tossed in court though. While the company may want to limit training expenses, I'm sure they don't want to be paying FO's on the 7+year CA rate...
 
Polar742 said:
Totally and completely inappropriate post. Remember the decimation in little freight a few years ago. You never know when it will be your turn.
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There are more variables to my post but I left it short because of the overall issue in this topic. Sorry if it came over the interwebs improperly.

Just as a taste. So far 2 of the 3 airlines that contacted me during my job search last year have filed for Chapter 11. The third could file or mass furlough in a few years. Think of my post as a "Holy crap this could have been me."

I realize I could be a UPS shuffle away from getting the axe.
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
I'm not a contract genius, but as i understand 24.8 or whatever it is, if we are displaced to a junior postion before somebody who is "junior" to us, then we get the pay untill they are... I would take that to mean, if a captain who is senior to a 9E CA gets displaced to CRJ-200 FO, then they would/should be protected.

The bloch award can get tossed in court though. While the company may want to limit training expenses, I'm sure they don't want to be paying FO's on the 7+year CA rate...
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The obvious solution is to try and furlough CJC pilots only. I'm pretty sure that is what all this complex section 24 language is going to lead to. Unless they can massively change the language in that section.
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
I'm not a contract genius, but as i understand 24.8 or whatever it is, if we are displaced to a junior postion before somebody who is "junior" to us, then we get the pay untill they are... I would take that to mean, if a captain who is senior to a 9E CA gets displaced to CRJ-200 FO, then they would/should be protected.

The bloch award can get tossed in court though. While the company may want to limit training expenses, I'm sure they don't want to be paying FO's on the 7+year CA rate...
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Wishful thinking. Not what the pay protection provision is for. If that was the case, 50% of the current FO's on property would be getting q400 captain pay.
 
BIGRIG said:
Wishful thinking. Not what the pay protection provision is for. If that was the case, 50% of the current FO's on property would be getting q400 captain pay.
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I'd agree, but the contract doesn't include statements as to why a junior pilot displaces later, either way, it will be a mess
 
sherpa said:
The obvious solution is to try and furlough CJC pilots only. I'm pretty sure that is what all this complex section 24 language is going to lead to. Unless they can massively change the language in that section.
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send us with the planes?

There is precedent for out of order furloughs (eagle) it would be a hard fight for them to get that.

I almost see them trying to get the isl tossed, or at least the award conditions, as that doesn't require any modification the the jcba. Jcba requires a single list, if the court won't give seniority based furlough relief, I expect they would see attempted separation of the lists as a way to get around the "no out of order furloughs" via technicality.

If the mec proposed out of sen. Furloughs to save fences, 9l pilots could/would sue the union for biased representation... And would likely win. The combined mec cannot treat any pilot differently because of his pre isl certificate. They must stand for equal rights of each pilot, regardless of where they sit, so they can only advocate for seniority based furloughs.

It's a very tricky time, the union, and the company need to be carefully, so you won't see much from either group.

The training backlog off a displacement award this large would be huge. You would have pilots at pay sitting for a long, long time.

I've got a gut feeling that the company will try to send the pilots, training dept, manual and cert. to the "new owner". That's prob. The cheapest way for the company to wind down the q. 6 months is a fair amount of time to make that transition. That saves them nearly 400-600 training events etc, doesn't require them to try to break the furlough order, and save the purchasing airline/operator from having to train and staff nearly 30new planes.
 
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