What is with all the doom and gloom

[Trip7]

Sounds like Bryan Bedford trying to circumvent a union again, by not offering the union a chance to negotiate how the increased payroll will be distributed among seats and longevity.

Increasing first year pay by $7 an hour is a good start but not if this is how they are going to try to go about doing it.

Expressjet was thinking about doing something like this back in 2007/2008 but the economy took care of the issue real fast.

I believe age 65 had a much bigger part in that than the economy.

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[dasleben]

First year regional pilot now

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At least if I lose my job here, I could go somewhere and only be mostly screwed, not totally screwed.

 

[Der_Meister]

How far we have come

Not too long ago, pilots with thousands of hours of experience were paying a $50 application fee just to apply to regionals like Mesa. If you were lucky enough to be hired at the regional, then you had to find your own place to stay for 6 weeks of training. All for the prestigious starting pay of $18/hr. How things have changed. Now Republic not only raised their starting pay, but raised to to be the highest in regional airline industry.

Still a while to to go for regional pay, but this is a step in the right direction, and a big one too.

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Very true but you also have to take into account cost of living these days. 18/hr in 1990 vs. 18/hr in 2012 is much different.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

According to the first inflation calculator I found on Google... $18 in 1990 buys $29.64 in 2012.

 

[dasleben]

According to the first inflation calculator I found on Google... $18 in 1990 buys $29.64 in 2012.

Oh cool, they've at least kept up with inflation.

 

[Boris Badenov]

It's all matter of perspective, I suppose. When I say "pilot", most people think I make $200k/year and barely work. OTOH, I've talked to flight school kids who think I've won the lottery when I tell them my relatively paltry salary. "That much? For just flying a PC-12!?" Oh, children, how little you know...

 

[MikeD]

It's all matter of perspective, I suppose. When I say "pilot", most people think I make $200k/year and barely work. OTOH, I've talked to flight school kids who think I've won the lottery when I tell them my relatively paltry salary. "That much? For just flying a PC-12!?" Oh, children, how little you know...

The man in the pic above. Pilot.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Yeah, I'm a 1%er. What of it? Now hush up and shine my shoes.

 

[Der_Meister]

It's all matter of perspective, I suppose. When I say "pilot", most people think I make $200k/year and barely work. OTOH, I've talked to flight school kids who think I've won the lottery when I tell them my relatively paltry salary. "That much? For just flying a PC-12!?" Oh, children, how little you know...

I dont know about you but I make +200k a year, only work 3 times a month, get all the hotflight attendants(female), and drink more then mad men. Isn't that what everyone does in this profession?

 

[Boris Badenov]

and drink more then mad men. Isn't that what everyone does in this profession?

I only do that when I'm off shift. As a wise old EMS pilot once told me, "this job is all about drinking and driving...I don't drink for a week, then I don't drive for a week."

 

[dasleben]

I make 27 cents per hour per passenger.

 

[Der_Meister]

I make 27 cents per hour per passenger.

I make 18.00/hr per passenger; er student...

 

[ZapBrannigan]

I wish I was paid in gum.

 

[Der_Meister]

I wish I was paid in gum.

trident layers gum?

 

[mshunter]

I wish I was paid in gum.

I take cash, and beer. Depending on the day of the week thoug. Mon-Thurs, I take payment in beer. Fri-Sat night I take cash because thats all the hooker will accept on those days. Thats when the high class ones come out.

 

[ASpilot2be]

There is doom and gloom? I am loving life right now.

 

[falconvalley]

Doom and gloom? I'm with Doug on this one.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Pilots spend a lot of time in the cockpit.

Many pilots will not drop a deuce on the airplane.

The combination of lack of toilets and unwillingness to drop a deuce in between legs tends to mean that many pilots are constipated.

Constipation makes us grumpy.

My logic is flawless.

At a recent airline interview, I explained it like this:

When I've been bottled up in an airplane all day I can get hungry.

When I get hungry, I can get grumpy.

But whichever logic you prefer.

 

[Nick]

Apples loosen, bananas bind.

Something to think about when raiding the snack tray.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

no I'm way past the learning to fly stage. Simply based off what's been said in here. A lot of people seemed optimistic going into this year and lately the vibe seemed to change. Thanks jtrain for that break down I appreciate it

I've always been an advocate of the coming pilot shortage, although most people around here laugh at the idea. But, I've never said that this was the year. I don't think anyone has. The age 65 retirements don't even start until the very end of December this year. That is what will drive the pilot shortage for the most part, so next year is the year that it will likely start. It gets progressively worse over the next decade, with retirements at Delta, UAL, and American reaching about 800/yr during the decade. Do the math. There aren't enough regional pilots at all of the regionals combined to fill the coming vacancies. The shortage is coming. It just isn't quite here yet. Patience is a virtue.