Mid-Air Intercept by ICE

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I wanted to share a story that happened on Thursday (March 1, 2012) and wanted to see if this has happened to anyone else. I departed from Scottsdale at 1:30 pm. We (GF and me) flew non-stop to Horseshoe Bay (DZB). We stopped there to overnight with friends, and then fly on to Brenham (11R) the next morning to conduct some horse business. Back to DZB, overnight, and home on Saturday.

We were VFR with no flight plan filed, but under flight following. Cruising at 11,500 we were almost through the Texon MOA when Houston Center made a traffic alert to us. Less than a mile, no transponder, but he was getting a traffic alert. We saw nothing on the TCAS, but made a turn to the right of 20 degrees. The target followed. The controller then came back, and told us it was a duplicate return. What I found out later was that it was the Omaha King Air 200 that was intercepting us. I thought it was odd, but continued to DZB.

We entered the pattern at DZB, made standard calls, and landed. The King Air made no calls.As I was turning off the runway, I saw a King Air 200 landing directly behind me, and close enough that I heard him go into Beta. I parked the airplane, and was approached by two ICE officers who were already on the ground who had landed moments earlier in a C210. We unbuckled and got out of the airplane. They conducted a ramp check, and by this time, the airplane was surrounded by the 8 officers who had piled out of the King Air.

My girlfriend and I were separated by the officers, and the grilling commenced. "What's in the airplane that I need to know about?" Uh oh.... There was nothing, and I told them so. 2 hours later, after the dog had come along, did a false alert on the wing root of the airplane, and the airplane subsequently torn apart, they said that we were good to go. That was also after the dog had climbed all over the wings and fuselage of the airplane scratching the ever living hell out of it.
Questions asked: Why did you fly direct from Scottsdale? (Because I had the gas and the tailwinds?)
Why are you here?
Why did you fly from Scottsdale?
How long have you had airplane?
This sure is a nice plane, how do you pay for it? (I'm a trust fund baby. :D )
You REALLY breed horses?
How much does that make you a year?
Where do you fly?
How often do you fly?
What do you do?
How long have you done it?
Do you use drugs?
Are you sure?
Why are you nervous?
Why do you look nervous?
What are you hiding?
Who do you spend time with?
Who's your business partner?
What does he do?
What's his name?
How long have you known him?
How did you meet?
How often does he fly the plane?
What ratings does he have?
What ratings do you have?
Does anyone you know smoke weed recreationally? (DUH?)
Who are they?

My gf: Does he let you fly the plane? Never? Not EVER? (Still no)
Do you smoke weed recreationally?
Why are you here?
What are you doing in Texas?
What does your bf do?
How do you know bf's business partner?
What do you do for work?

When I began to ask questions, I was stonewalled. Who is the OIC? We ALL are was the answer.... Honestly...

Also of note, though I was not under arrest, I was prohibited from using my cell phone, and the officers got really twitchy when I pulled it out.

I will say that only me, and my business partner fly this plane. It belonged to a flight school in its previous life. It is kept in a secure and locked hanger. It has never been flown internationally.
I also found it interesting that even though I showed them my CTO, as well as my licenses, and informed them of my vet status, and that I have an active secret clearance, and that I am currently using my GI Bill benefits, and that I am service connected (all of which I lose if I have a felony charge) AND told them that my gf's dad is the Director of the NTSB (yes, really), it all fell on deaf ears.

The most troubling part of this whole thing was that they told me
1. not to tell anyone that it happened
2.to call them first if anyone asks me to run a load of dope in my airplane (WTF??!!), and
3. that I need to become better friends with my pilot friends to see who is moving dope out of Phoenix. I did get two business cards with names and phone numbers and am contemplating my next move. I played nice for 2 hours and it made me feel quite violated. Did I REALLY serve 6 years, and do two foreign conflicts for THIS? Is this what we call freedom now?

The coup de grace was, as we were gathering our stuff off of the ramp, an officer says, "Well, at least you'll have a great story to tell."

Anyone else have this fantastical experience?

**So, who needs a load of dope run? And whoever is running the dope needs to fess up now. :D**
 
Not nearly as cool a story, but was "intercepted" by Border patrol agents once landing at a small airport in Texas.
 
I watched another member (At least he used to be, either here or one of the other forums I'm on), not knowing who he was at the time, get ramped by some government agency looking for drugs (probably DEA) in Kansas City a few years ago. I was working the ramp and as soon as those guys rolled up, I got out of there.
 
Can they search your aircraft without warrant when you didn't cross the border at all? I guess it's similar to pulling someone over for a traffic stop. As long as they have reason to believe there may be drugs they can start looking right? Obviously non compliance with their demands would have only made things worse for you but if you've been illegally searched I'd lawyer up. Again, I don't know how the law works on this so maybe they legally can search the aircraft.
 
Did they have a warrant? If no, what was their probable cause?

Also, did they read your Miranda rights?

No. The false hit by the dog on the wing root gave them probable cause. What was the probable cause flying from SDL to DZB? Maybe THAT was the probable cause.
 
Complain to FSDO about the dangerous flying.

I'd be asking questions about why I was being detained, and saying nothing.

It is not technically a ramp check, the only documentation you are required to show are pilot's certificate and photo ID.

Don't worry about the dog, they will alert on command.
 
They sound like class A pieces of crap. I would have told them to screw off.

Next time, I'm going to. I tried playing nice, for 2 hours, and it got me nowhere. I did tel them that they could NOT search the plane when they asked. I've been down that road. It always goes the same; them laughing while you're picking your stuff up, and cleaning it up before getting on your way.
 
Complain to FSDO about the dangerous flying.

I'd be asking questions about why I was being detained, and saying nothing.

It is not technically a ramp check, the only documentation you are required to show are pilot's certificate and photo ID.

Don't worry about the dog, they will alert on command.

Great point about the FSDO.
 
Can they search your aircraft without warrant when you didn't cross the border at all? I guess it's similar to pulling someone over for a traffic stop. As long as they have reason to believe there may be drugs they can start looking right? Obviously non compliance with their demands would have only made things worse for you but if you've been illegally searched I'd lawyer up. Again, I don't know how the law works on this so maybe they legally can search the aircraft.

I believe that this whole thing is the beloved Patriot Act at its finest.
 
Did they actually remove panels from the aircraft? If so, are you sending them a bill from the mechanic that signed off on putting the plane back together?

EDIT: If you haven't, regardless of what you think of them, call the ACLU to determine if this was legal.
 
These clowns have been hanging out at the local FBO I was working at up until a couple weeks ago. In general they know very little about aviation and feel they have to excercise their tiny bit of authority over everyone at the airport. They walk around asking questions like they're hot on the trail of some smugglers when it's pretty clear that none of their questions are pointed enough to indicate they have any real purpose. They're basically on a witch hunt. In Southeast Michigan of all places. I guess those Canadians are swimming across Lake Erie. Nevermind the 1,000s of miles of thick backcountry forest all along the northern border of the U.S.

Point of the story is just laugh at them. They serve no real purpose other than burning hundreds of millions in taxpayer dollars.
 
Did they actually remove panels from the aircraft? If so, are you sending them a bill from the mechanic that signed off on putting the plane back together?

EDIT: If you haven't, regardless of what you think of them, call the ACLU to determine if this was legal.

No panels removed, but everything pulled out of every open space and console.

ACLU is almost as bad a word and the eff one.... But if you ever need a junkyard dog, that would be the one.
 
I watched another member (At least he used to be, either here or one of the other forums I'm on), not knowing who he was at the time, get ramped by some government agency looking for drugs (probably DEA) in Kansas City a few years ago. I was working the ramp and as soon as those guys rolled up, I got out of there.

That happened to me in Texas. I was greeted by 2 DEA agents and a local law enforcement k9 unit.
 
Ok, we need to know if you flew GPS direct between SDL and DZB? If that is the case, you likely flew through one, possibly two, hot Restricted areas. Along the route, R5107B includes all altitudes, and continuous use. R5103C also includes all altitudes, and is in use from monday-friday 0700 - 2000. The controlling agencies on both are Albuquerque center, but just because you have Flight Following does not mean you are cleared through a restricted area, nor is ATC obligated to navigate you around the restricted area. Going through a hot R would likely constitute probable cause.

I wasn't there, so I don't know if ATC cleared you through or not, or the specific circumstances, but this could be why they were asking you why you chose to fly direct between the two points.
 
Ok, we need to know if you flew GPS direct between SDL and DZB? If that is the case, you likely flew through one, possibly two, hot Restricted areas. Along the route, R5107B includes all altitudes, and continuous use. R5103C also includes all altitudes, and is in use from monday-friday 0700 - 2000. The controlling agencies on both are Albuquerque center, but just because you have Flight Following does not mean you are cleared through a restricted area, nor is ATC obligated to navigate you around the restricted area. Going through a hot R would likely constitute probable cause.

I wasn't there, so I don't know if ATC cleared you through or not, or the specific circumstances, but this could be why they were asking you why you chose to fly direct between the two points.

This is a troll post, isn't it? It appears oddly familiar....

If you're serious, well, my apologies. I flew via ELP.
 
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