1500/ATP Rule

purpel

purpel

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There is really no official answer with the rule but I myself am affected by this rule and I know numerous people who will not be 23 by the time this rules comes into effect. So is there a going to be a grandfather clause or not.


For instance PSA and Expressjet now say you have to turn 23 by 2013 of August 1. So lets say someone was hired at 19-20 yrs old at expressjet. Is the airline going to kick this person out when the rule comes into effect. This is one of the reasons I have not even applied to an airline because I don't want to be told to go home when I do not turn 23.

And yes I have googled and searched for an answer with no joy. I have even thoroughly analayzed the bill and there is no clause for people hired before the rule. It literally states FO's will need ATP's. So I read this as unless the FAA lowers the age (which the should) all people who can not obtain this degree will be let go. I see no where in the document that says oh well if you don't 23 we will give a year to turn 23.
 
I would think if you are on property, they can not kick you out, like if they pass a criminal law and you did that action last week they could not arrest you for that crime. But they certainly have a reason not hire you in advance of this rule. I thought it was only, to have ATP mins, not your ATP.
 
SFLAX said:
I would think if you are on property, they can not kick you out, like if they pass a criminal law and you did that action last week they could not arrest you for that crime. But they certainly have a reason not hire you in advance of this rule. I thought it was only, to have ATP mins, not your ATP.
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Right, but the fact of the matter is the bill has passed so in a year from now if I was at airline I would no longer meet the requirements of my job since I would not be old enough to get a ATP license.

On a side not

Why the FAA cares about the age of 23 if you have the hour defeats me, but it is what it is.
 
SFLAX said:
I would think if you are on property, they can not kick you out, like if they pass a criminal law and you did that action last week they could not arrest you for that crime. But they certainly have a reason not hire you in advance of this rule. I thought it was only, to have ATP mins, not your ATP.
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Relevant statutes — HR 5900. (No proposed rules yet.)
SEC. 216. FLIGHT CREWMEMBER SCREENING AND QUALIFICATIONS.​
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(a) Requirements-
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(1) RULEMAKING PROCEEDING- The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall conduct a rulemaking proceeding to require part 121 air carriers to develop and implement means and methods for ensuring that flight crewmembers have proper qualifications and experience.
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(2) MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS-
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(A) PROSPECTIVE FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that prospective flight crewmembers undergo comprehensive preemployment screening, including an assessment of the skills, aptitudes, airmanship, and suitability of each applicant for a position as a flight crewmember in terms of functioning effectively in the air carrier’s operational environment.
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(B) ALL FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that, after the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, all flight crewmembers--
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(i) have obtained an airline transport pilot certificate under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations; and
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(ii) have appropriate multi-engine aircraft flight experience, as determined by the Administrator.
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(b) Deadlines- The Administrator shall issue--
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(1) not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, a notice of proposed rulemaking under subsection (a); and
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(2) not later than 24 months after such date of enactment, a final rule under subsection (a).
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(c) Default- The requirement that each flight crewmember for a part 121 air carrier hold an airline transport pilot certificate under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, shall begin to apply on the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act even if the Administrator fails to meet a deadline established under this section.​
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SEC. 217. AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT CERTIFICATION.​
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(a) Rulemaking Proceeding- The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall conduct a rulemaking proceeding to amend part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, to modify requirements for the issuance of an airline transport pilot certificate.
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(b) Minimum Requirements- To be qualified to receive an airline transport pilot certificate pursuant to subsection (a), an individual shall--
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(1) have sufficient flight hours, as determined by the Administrator, to enable a pilot to function effectively in an air carrier operational environment; and
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(2) have received flight training, academic training, or operational experience that will prepare a pilot, at a minimum, to--
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(A) function effectively in a multipilot environment;
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(B) function effectively in adverse weather conditions, including icing conditions;
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(C) function effectively during high altitude operations;
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(D) adhere to the highest professional standards; and
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(E) function effectively in an air carrier operational environment.
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(c) Flight Hours-
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(1) NUMBERS OF FLIGHT HOURS- The total flight hours required by the Administrator under subsection (b)(1) shall be at least 1,500 flight hours.
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(2) FLIGHT HOURS IN DIFFICULT OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS- The total flight hours required by the Administrator under subsection (b)(1) shall include sufficient flight hours, as determined by the Administrator, in difficult operational conditions that may be encountered by an air carrier to enable a pilot to operate safely in such conditions.
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(d) Credit Toward Flight Hours- The Administrator may allow specific academic training courses, beyond those required under subsection (b)(2), to be credited toward the total flight hours required under subsection (c). The Administrator may allow such credit based on a determination by the Administrator that allowing a pilot to take specific academic training courses will enhance safety more than requiring the pilot to fully comply with the flight hours requirement.
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(e) Recommendations of Expert Panel- In conducting the rulemaking proceeding under this section, the Administrator shall review and consider the assessment and recommendations of the expert panel to review part 121 and part 135 training hours established by section 209(b) of this Act.
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(f) Deadline- Not later than 36 months after the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator shall issue a final rule under subsection (a).​
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Autothrust if there are no rules yet then isn't this statute invalid until a rule is put into the FAR's?
 
purpel said:
Autothrust if there are no rules yet then isn't this statute invalid until a rule is put into the FAR's?
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No. Look closely:
(c) Default- The requirement that each flight crewmember for a part 121 air carrier hold an airline transport pilot certificate under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, shall begin to apply on the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act even if the Administrator fails to meet a deadline established under this section.​
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The way I see things, if you don't have an ATP under current provisions of 14 CFR 61 on August whatever it is, 2013, you are disqualified from acting as an airline pilot, unless the Administrator comes up with some alternate rules.

I don't know if the recent FAA reauthorization has had any effect on this or not, I would have to do some digging. But, I doubt it.
 
Dudes,

I got hired at a regional at 25. I thought I was fairly young. Go out and spend some time drinking with coeds during undergraduate, building time flight instructing, and generally cause a ruckus while doing so.

You will thank me in 30 years.

Your friend,
The Train
 
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