This just in, Good NEWS!!
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SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Straight from the committee's page on the ALPA web site, here is the list of Flight Time/Duty Time Committee members:
Chairman:
Capt. Don Wykoff (DAL)
Members:
Capt. Pat Bradshaw (DAL)
Capt. Jim Fritzler (DHL)
Capt. Alex Strickland (CAL)
Capt. Greg Whiting (UAL)
Capt. Darrell Cox (MAG)
Capt. Jim Ingalls (FDX)
F/O Matt Rettig (EGL)
Of course, the Engineering & Air Safety Department (E&AS) is also filled with staff members who have been doing science-based safety work for nearly their whole lives, and there were outside consultants hired as well. The Aviation Rulemaking Committee heard testimony from doctors and specialists before drafting the original proposal, which is largely the same as the final rule.
To the best of my knowledge, all of them fly the line. Yes, even your airline's own Capt. Wykoff, who not only chairs this committee, but also serves as the President of IFALPA. And in case you didn't know, even Capt. Moak flies a trip every month. I've told him that he's crazy to maintain his currency with all of the work that he has to do, but he keeps it up, because he knows there are people out there who will try to marginalize him if he doesn't. *Ahem*
On the Delta side, you've named two "flightless birds" who don't do the work. I have no idea about Captain Bradshaw, but if you want a real look at the dynamics of what the regular line Joe does, you don't pick amongst the bureaucratic ranks of DALPA, you get out there and you select people who do it regularly.
Like if you wanted to learn about the idiosycracies of the 777, the last person in the world you'd ever as is
Tell your fellow office mates to get their story straight because I'm hearing an angle from you that's completely different than the angle that I'm getting from people I know personally (that have done and that current DO line) within the union structure about their perspective on the new rule changes.
But I am telling you, that as a person whose alpha and omega of the W-2 involves 100% line flying, that the rule is a step backwards. You come to work, do my job and tell me how you feel after a un-augmented transoceanic crossing. Otherwise it rings hollow from a pilot who hasn't done the work but is telling me how awesome the rule change is in an operation which he has never flown.
You know I love you man and I've spent a lot of time defending your perspective, but you're dead wrong on this and I pray that we never realize how retarded of an idea this is.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Now I understand why Lee is so adamant about flying the line, even with his ridiculous workload. If he's been listening to this "flightless bird" nonsense for years from Delta pilots, then I guess I can see where he's coming from. 
Now I understand why Lee is so adamant about flying the line, even with his ridiculous workload. If he's been listening to this "flightless bird" nonsense for years from Delta pilots, then I guess I can see where he's coming from.
Don't ever forgot who you represent and why you're in Herndon, ATN.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Maybe I have missed it...but once again...how is this rule going to make previously augmented long haul magically un-augmented after two years?
I guess I must have missed it, unless it is quite simply "You're dead wrong."
I guess I must have missed it, unless it is quite simply "You're dead wrong."
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
I'm not in Herndon, Doug. I'm a line pilot. I fly a full schedule. Just like you. Just finished a block of stand-ups this morning, in fact. When I went to an Executive Board meeting in October, I went on my days off. There is the occasional trip drop when a trip conflicts with a meeting, but for the most part, I fly the line full time and do the ALPA work on my own time. And for all of that, I get my expenses reimbursed. Yippee! What a deal!
I'll give you some advice very similar to the advice that you gave above: don't criticize people who do the work when you've never served in that kind of position and don't know what it's like. As a former "flightless bird," as you would have apparently called me, I can tell you that this flying gig is a hell of a lot more relaxing than sitting behind that desk ever was. Effecting real change to improve the lives of pilots isn't easy. Sitting behind a keyboard and calling the people who do "flightless birds" certainly is, though.
Dugie8
Well-Known Member
Among many things, the one simple fact that shows these people are completely out of touch is the non-stance on controlled napping in the cockpit. We all got thrown under the bus for the sake of profit. Reference the two years it will take for these rules to come into place.
Rocketman99
Frozen Guppy Manipulator
Because the science experts have decreed you are perfectly safe to operate that trip unaugmented now. Not to mention that "contractual protection" of the augmented flying when it is no longer required to be = loss of negotiating capital that could be spent on other pay/QOL improvements. I'm on the side of failing to see how big an improvement this is. Yeah, it should help regional guys out but everyone else pretty much got tossed under the bus, especially cargo/135 guys. Money still wins over safety. Surprise.
Blip16
Well-Known Member
I like my 135 schedule, yes my days are long averaging 13.7 on duty, but i am only near or in the airplane for 3.7. i only have around 7.5 downtime in the middle. Now if i was flying 5 legs a day like i used too i would agree with you
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jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Launching eastbound from New York you can get nearly to Turkey before you need a third crew member because of the extension from 8 to 9 hours of block being allowed for the day.
That doesn't so much surprise me as the FAA saying it's a-ok to fly straight into, and through, your circadian low with two guys up front and no chance to take a nap. THAT blows my mind. If you're coming back during your body's daylight hours, it'd make more sense, but launching off going east it's kind of scary as hell when you think about it.
braunpilot
What day is it?
So I was thinking about this while waiting for my cargo this morning. Since Doug has pointed out that there is a reduction in need for FOs and with cargo being exempt. It sure does look like UPS and FedEx may have trouble finding pilots later on because the regionals are almost going to be a better staffing situation. Could this be the start of the true regional career?
I know that when Comair got their great contract after the strike back in the 1990's people said that staying in a regional was going to be an option later. Is later now? Or does this destabilize the entire industry more because regionals will become more and more cut-throat?
I know that when Comair got their great contract after the strike back in the 1990's people said that staying in a regional was going to be an option later. Is later now? Or does this destabilize the entire industry more because regionals will become more and more cut-throat?
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
One category at Delta needing as many as 250 fewer pilots IF the contractual safeguards that are currently in place go away doesn't negate the 6,000 retirements that are about to happen at Delta in the next 10 years.
Exactly what I heard yesterday as well. Now, instead of starting from a baseline of augmented flying, we're going to blow huge amounts of negotiating capital to keep what we already have and even more to improve things.
Internationally, our bare minimum yesterday has become "FAA minimum-PLUS PLUS" today so instead of negotiating to improve our rules, we're going to be negotiating to KEEP our rules.
When the parade ends, the floats are put back in storage and the big helium balloons deflate, people will grasp how retarded this is.
Cav
Former Maddog Whisperer
True but I fear that increased reserve utilization will make up for any staffing shortages it creats. JMO.
If I hear one more thing from the union about how our contract protects us I'm going to lose it. The scenario Doug mentioned above is exactly the scenario I was worried about.