Gulfstream Intl Airlines Is Now Silver Airways

I'm a regular line joe.

The only tie I wear, apart from my Christmas tie (Holiday tie, I'll call it, just to make Republicans angry) is clip-on and only at work. I haven't spent any time in Herndon, did not work for the airline and I'm afraid all I've seen.... well, whenever it piqued my normally jaded interest, is new paint and new aircraft with no acknowledgement or mention of the abortion their previous business model represented.

Now I've called my Christmas tie a "holiday tie", used the word "abortion" and I should be getting a flurry of angry private messages "Convos" from my more conservative friends in 3.....2......1.....
 
Doug Taylor said:
no acknowledgement or mention of the abortion their previous business model represented.
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So, if I'm understanding you right, you basically want the new management to acknowledge and apologize for the bad business practices of the old management? That's what you're looking for?

I care more about actions than words. They've made the right steps. They've eliminated PFT, they've got a decent a contract, and they're modernizing the fleet to provide better opportunities for mainline feed. If I was a newbie pilot looking for a job, that's what I would focus on. Not what some scab owner did when he ran the place.
 
No, I already said I want a fruit basket! :) No mixed nuts or dried apricots.
 
Turkey as in "My friend my friend! Help you spend your money"/Ataturk or the big flightless, and delicious, bird?
 
ATN_Pilot said:
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I care more about actions than words. They've made the right steps. They've eliminated PFT, they've got a decent a contract, and they're modernizing the fleet to provide better opportunities for mainline feed. If I was a newbie pilot looking for a job, that's what I would focus on. Not what some scab owner did when he ran the place.
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Good to hear that some operations are moving in a positive direction.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Turkey as in "My friend my friend! Help you spend your money"/Ataturk or the big flightless, and delicious, bird?
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I thought it was on that airplane movie? It was funny when those two guys said it, I thought they were talking to the old woman or the flight attendant. Been too long.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Hard to tell whether you're being sarcastic or not, but how can you blame regionals for something that they didn't create? Regionals wouldn't exist if it weren't for mainline pilots agreeing to sell their scope for higher pay.
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Just to clarify - and I wasn't being sarcastic - the existence of the Regionals (not counting EAS carriers) is the death knell of the airline pilot job. I agree with you and the other poster who said that the regionals came to be because mainline pilots sold scope. The pilots who did this were like Judas and whatever they got was simply 30 pieces of silver adjusted for inflation to sell out the profession long-term.
 
WacoFan said:
Just to clarify - and I wasn't being sarcastic - the existence of the Regionals (not counting EAS carriers) is the death knell of the airline pilot job. I agree with you and the other poster who said that the regionals came to be because mainline pilots sold scope. The pilots who did this were like Judas and whatever they got was simply 30 pieces of silver adjusted for inflation to sell out the profession long-term.
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Actually our gains on the contract are above the inflation rate for now. Until Bankruptcy.

No where near the mainline pilot rate, but we will trod along.

--Judas
 
jynxyjoe said:
Actually our gains on the contract are above the inflation rate for now. Until Bankruptcy.

No where near the mainline pilot rate, but we will trod along.

--Judas
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I was calling the mainline pilots that sold the scope Judas, not the regional pilots. To be clear, the mainline pilots that sold scope were to blame.
 
WacoFan said:
I was calling the mainline pilots that sold the scope Judas, not the regional pilots. To be clear, the mainline pilots that sold scope were to blame.
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Eh, at this point it's been so long I don't carry to torch of who is to blame (well, GoJet's obviously is an exception). It's obvious to me now (as it should have been from pure deduction) that majority of mainline guys today do not want to deal with the RJ payscales, they'll just sell it out for a little more money in the bank. It makes some sense, if you are at a mainline level and you sell scope out slowly you can fatten the coffers for a furlough (they'll need you back) and end up making good money flying large equipment. The ladder will get pulled up slowly, probably slow enough for me to get on at mainline and make a 30 year go at it.

In time Regional Pilots will realize that they are on their own, and begging and pandering to the public won't fix their problems. The traveling public isn't their mom and dad who have their allowance money, and if we could only whine a little more they would give us that extra 20 we "need". We'll have to shun our hatred of unions and become united under some sort of banner of professionalism. Of course, when none of that happens, I'll still be here bitching about it.

The job obviously isn't terrible because guys aren't leaving in droves. Even if HR.4747 passes (age 125 proposed by Sen. Monkey (R-Ten) ) guys will still die and mainline will need a few more of us to come up the ranks. As I see our fleet of almost 60 DC-9-10 type airframes (-900) I realize this is pretty much it for a while. I'll get back to the 50 seaters and get some QOL back (20 days off again hopefully), work the side business as much as the woman will allow, and pray that I can either leave this industry for the import and sales industry or make it someplace worthwhile in aviation. I'm 30 lots of time left, but not as much time to hate anymore I suppose. I can still hope for that 100k a year job with 20 days off flying 1900's around the NE.
 
WacoFan said:
Just to clarify - and I wasn't being sarcastic - the existence of the Regionals (not counting EAS carriers) is the death knell of the airline pilot job.
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The death knell? I think that's hyperbole. This is still a pretty damned good career. There aren't too many professions that let you make over $100k by the time you're 30, and that's pretty realistic in this profession with the coming retirements that begin in less than a year.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
The death knell? I think that's hyperbole. This is still a pretty damned good career. There aren't too many professions that let you make over $100k by the time you're 30, and that's pretty realistic in this profession with the coming retirements that begin in less than a year.
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Perhaps hyperbole - but would you rather be a TWA DC-9 Captain in 1979 or a Delta 777 Captain today? That's where I was going. Yes, it is still a "good career" in some respects - but it is far from what it was. I believe the relevant question is this: If you look at the decline of the job since 1980 for instance - what can you to to a) arrest the descent and b) start going to where it was? The trend has been downward, that's all I'm saying. I think Regionals are a big part of that, but not the only part.
 
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