Aircraft Type Ratings

[dustoff17]

Actually I disagree. He doesn't need any turbojet time IF taking the type check ride in the real airplane.

What the PIC experience requirements does is give guys with enough previous experience the opportunity to take the checkride in a simulator and still not need an SOE.

Essentially the SOE is issued if you both 1: dont have all the PIC experience listed at the top AND 2. you take the checkride in a sim

It's O.K. that you disagree but that doesn't change the FARs:

61.64(a)(2) If the type rating sought is for a TURBOJET airplane, the applicant MUST-
(i) Hold a type rating in a turbojet airplane...(which he does not so I'll stop here)...
(ii) Have 1,000 hours of flight time in two different turbojet airplanes...(Nope, stop here)....
(iii) Have been appointed.....turbojet airplanes....(Nope)
(iv) Have 500 hours of flight time in the same type of airplane...(Nope)
(v) Have logged....in turbine-powered...(Nope)
(3)If the type rating in the turbo-propeller airplane....(Nope)...

NOW we're right back to:

(iii) The limitation described under paragraph (a)(4)(ii) of this section may be removed from the applicant's pilot certificate if the applicant

(A) Logs 25 hours of flight time in the category and class of airplane for the rating sought, and if a type rating is being sought, the flight time must be performed in the same type of airplane for the rating sought;

OR (as stated in a previous post above)

(B) Performs 25 hours of flight time under the direct supervision of the pilot in command who who holds the appropriate airplane catagory, class, and type rating, without limitations, in the same catagory, class, and type of airplane rating, if a type rating is applicable.
(C) .............

Of course IF he logs 15 hours of training IN the actual airplane, then his SOE will only be 10 hours and so on............

 

[rframe]

It's O.K. that you disagree but that doesn't change the FARs:

Agreed

In all of the sections you quoted, you have skipped the hinge pin of the entire argument: 61.64(4)(i). That "or" at the end is the key to unlocking this.

As academic as this is, I enjoy discussions like this because I think it helps everyone navigate and interpret the beautiful mess that is the FAR's better.

 

[derg]

Say you have an ATP certificate. Your experience is solely on piston twins. You want to fly PIC on a light jet. Can you get a PIC type rating right off the bat or do you nee to get the SIC type first? How does that work for insurance for say a small charter op?

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Sure.

I have a friend that went from EMB-120 Captain to 727 FE to 737 CA. First jet was PIC turbojet.

 

[Cptnchia]

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Sure.

I have a friend that went from EMB-120 Captain to 727 FE to 737 CA. First jet was PIC turbojet.

Not to muddy the waters, but I think that accuiring a type under part 121 training programs is different that going to FSI or Simuflite on your own which is totally part 61.

 

[dustoff17]

Agreed

In all of the sections you quoted, you have skipped the hinge pin of the entire argument: 61.64(4)(i). That "or" at the end is the key to unlocking this.........

Ding, Ding, Ding!!!

My light just came on!!!! You even put that in BOLD earlier and I still missed it. So you're stating that I can fly only 4 hours in the airplane (if I'm Chuck Yeager, Jr - which I'm not BTW) and get a type rating? No requirement to meet the 25 hours BECAUSE the flight was conducted IN the plane.......

Sorry rframe, it's a Monday.................................................:insane:

 

[lr31apilot]

Cheers to dustoff & rframe for having a respectful and enlightening conversation online. Well done guys and thanks for the new found knowledge.

 

[FlyMarines09]

I'm glad I brought it up. This is interesting. The only reason I ask is because I have some business ideas that I may execute after college and flight training and I'd like to be able to utilize a light jet. What are the insurance minimums typically for light citations or similar?